Primer Ignition Device to replace Percussion Cap

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  1. Jackrabbit1957

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    I bought a percussion double rifle years ago that was equipped with rifle primer thingymabobs. I tried it and it works, however it's way to easy to fumble that screw on widget and put yourself outta business while hunting for it. If you think about what would you rather drop, a 5 cent cap or a 10.00 dollar screw on primer cover widget? Just saying.
     
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  2. Miguel Loco

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    Do you mean I can't use my red dot? Now I suppose I can't use my bolt rifle either......sheesh.......lol.
     
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  3. Snidely70431

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    N-SSA: North South Skirmish Association? National Skeet Shooting Association? National Scholastic Surfing Association?
     
  4. Snidely70431

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    No need to complain about the recoil of any muzzle-loader, since one of the nice things about them is that one can load them as light as one likes as long as the projectile exits the barrel. Just because an Optima Pro Magnum is rated to take 3 50-grain pellets behind a 300-grain projectile does not mean one HAS to use such a load.
     
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  5. brewer12345

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    Depends on your rifle and goals. For hunting I try to make sure I have an accurate load with at least 70 grains of powder. Some rifles are accurate there, some require considerably more to find the sweet spot. I have killed two deer with a 54 grey hawk that only shot round ball well with 110 grains and an overpowder wad. Overkill, imo, but even a Texas heart shot resulted in a dead deer.
     
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  6. Mark_Mark
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    70 grain of BP, that’s why you buy BP by the case
     
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  7. brewer12345

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    I'd say my average charge in 50 cal and better is 80 grains. The offset is that 40 shots is a long afternoon of shooting.

    Bo revolvers are thriftier. Buy a 36 and it's more like 15 or 20 grains.
     
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  8. hawg

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    North South Skirmish Association. AFAIK it's the only one with a dash between N and S.

    When I used a .50 I used 90 grains with a PRB. Ironically 90 grains is the charge I use in my .54 with a PRB. I use 25 grains in my .36's.
     
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  9. Mark_Mark
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    90 grains!!! that crazy amount of powder!
     
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    You need to come by the house… we’ll load up the Gibbs with 90 grains of 1.5f Swiss behind a 525 grain .45 caliber bullet. The rifle weighs 12 pounds but even so, you’ll feel it…
     
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    This, right here. You only get a hundred shots per pound.
     
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    GOOD GREIF!

    now that would be fun!!! I’ll bring my Hi-Point .45 lol
     
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  13. hawg

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    I would like to.

    Why do you say that?
     
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    90 grain is what I put in 7STW! that’s CRAZY amount of powder
     
  15. hawg

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    You're comparing smokeless to black. You can't do that.

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    Back to the original post,

    I had purchased a couple of Mag Spark adapters for our front loading deer hunting rifles.
    One is a Thompson Center Hawken in .50 caliber, the second is a Lyman Great Plains Hunter in .50 caliber.
    The Mag Spark was a direct plug & play with the Thompson Center.
    However with the Lyman, the Mag Spark sat to tall and I lost my 1/2 cock position.
    I then purchased a replacement hammer and cut about 0.200" off the bottom, now it works just fine.
    So anyone planning on doing this conversion, keep this in mind as it might sit to tall.
    Also I would recommend purchasing an extra Cap for the unit, dropping the cap while reloading could end a hunt very quickly.
    I can't say how they shoot compared to a percussion cap as I haven't used them,
    I only purchased them as an alternative method if Caps become unattainable (I still have caps).

    AntiqueSledMan.
     
  17. Snidely70431

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    Ran across this picture/article:
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  18. Thomasss

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    I hope you realize, 3, 50 grain pellets does not equal 150 grains of loose powder. It closer to 110 grains of loose powder. Hodgden doesn't mind people thinking they are getting a cannon full of power out of 3 pellets. It's a bunch of markerting B.S.
     
  19. brewer12345

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    Didn't know that. Is the rest of the weight binders?
     
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    is it hard to crush a pellet? I mean is it hard like concrete?
     
  21. hawg

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    Why would you want to?
     
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    see how compress it is
     
  23. Thomasss

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    You can crush them fairly easy, but that is not the issue. The issue is to get them to ignite simultaneously. Powder burns from exposed surface area, therefore granules burn faster. One of the newer developments is a "tube" that 3 pellets will slide onto which will get the pellets to ignite inside out as well as a conventional burn along the outside perimeter of each pellet.
    Bet ya didn't know the black end of a pellet is also an accelerant to help ignition along. Some people think it's black powder. I tried to crush and use them once in a Great Plains Rifle and they came flaming out the barrel like a roman candle.
     
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  24. Mark_Mark
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    that’s some serious tech that goes into those pellets! I figured it was more than just compress sub
     
  25. woodnbow
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    He’s a knucklehead… “finally a percussion gun is as reliable as an inline” what a moron.
     
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