Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by kmw1954, Jun 6, 2021.
Which one and please elaborate on your experiences, good,bad and otherwise.
Can someone help me with the product number, say at Brownell's? I went on the RCBS website and could not find the right one.
To the original poster , I feel your pain. I still cannot find the "right" or best solution to the military crimp problem.
Sorry just saw the post above mine with the number.
The Dillon takes 1/10 the strength to use, and is at least 5 times faster.
Sometimes with the rcbs I still had to ream the pocket, I have never had to ream after swaging with the dillon.
The Dillon also returns the rim to flat and square if it has been mangled by an enthusiast extraction in a semi or full auto. The RCBS relys on pulling on the rim (possibly making the rim worse) to remove the case from the swager, while the Dillon pushes the case off which squares the rim up during the swage AND swage removal.
After using the RCBS model for ~ 25 years I tried the Dillon, and bought one that very afternoon.
I have only been disappointed by RCBS in 45 years with 2 things, the swager and the motor in their vibratory case tumbler. (they replaced the tumbler twice, and after that sent 4(!) motors in the span of ~5 years ( for free) before I gave up on them.
Everything else on my bench is green.
Seriously? Comparing the #9481 to the Dillon Super 600. They are not even in the same class tool. Why not compare it to the more direct model #9474 Bench Mount. Your comparison is like comparing a Progressive press to a turret press and saying they are the same thing.
They both have the same intended use and were both brought up as viable options. It's a valid comparison when people are considering both.
Others do read these threads, and I know that when I was looking, I appreciated the different perspectives on what I was thinking about going with.
And that is all they have in common. Both operate in completely different manners. Then again one is $35.00 and the other is $120.00 But then there were a few others that were also brought up which again do the same thing but function completely different.
Now let's go back to my original post and paragraph 2;
"So depending on where one looks the price on the 3 major models; Frankford Arsenal, RCBS and Dillon it seems they can all be bought for about the same price or within $25.00... Not enough to be an issue."
That was the original question, pertained to information on these three tools. As these are what I was looking at. All three are similar, and all function the same way. Yes others have offered alternatives which again did nothing to answer my question. I glad these replies helped you out!
Just some good discussion...
So please describe how the Dillon Bench mount and the RCBS press mount compare against each other other than they perform a certain job. For my way of thinking comparing a Stihl chain saw to a Craftsman handsaw makes a lot of sense too I guess. They both cut wood.
Both meet your requirement of being "more user friendly and efficient" than reaming by hand. Both are "better, easier, and more consistent" as well.
The Dillon does a better job and is quicker. The RCBS takes up less real estate and is cheaper.
You seem to be a proponent of the Dillon table swager. I am under the impression that the tool has to be set up and then modified for each headstamp due to OAL differences . To be specific if I am swaging the military crimp out of a 223 there will always be a variation in the OAL, of say five thousands in a batch of 100.
When you set up the length of the plunger/reamer will that difference in OAL cause some of the military crimp to remain? Enough to negate the process?
Not trying to create an argument, but right now I am frustrated looking for a satisfactory method of removing the military crimp. I do not want to bash any specific products but 2 dirrerent swaging tools just crushed the cases and I had to return them. Also the shaving method worked fine until the cutter got dull, way too fast in my opinion. So I am searching.............
I am ready to drop $ 150 on the Dillon if I could be convinced that I was getting something that worked and that I did not have to continually adjust due to OAL differences.
edge real estate. As this very amateur video demonstrates.
I too like to use a trim mate with the swager to make running it in the progressive trouble free....meaning primer pocket depth is controlled using the "uniformer"...
As the video also demonstrates....it doesn't work well when you leave a primer in....nobody's perfect...
I bought a Lee APP to try too. That tool does a lot of interesting things and if you follow the directions (I didn't do that well at first) it swages well......and the only one with a case feeder
That was my point. The two different tools are not even compatible.
I did not know about RCBS #9474, it would be interesting to see a comparison between it and the Dillon offering.
I have had so many good experiences with RCBS customer service over the years that I will go with RCBS if the offerings are similar between manufactures, but the Dillon swage tool was so superior to RCBS 9421 that I was more than willing to mess up the color scheme on my bench.
Thank you! my reason for the comment as they are not the same class. And again was the whole point of this topic. To get feedback to compare the two similar tools or actually the 3 similar tools. The Dillon Bench Mount, the RCBS Bench Mount and the Frankford Arsenal Bench mount tools. So I will take the hit for NOT making that point clear.
gifbohane I am not a proponent of any of them and like you am trying to sort out and determine which tool would be best for me and my needs and way of doing things. As of yet I have not made a decisions and haven't ruled out the RCBS #9421 either.
From the videos I have watched I believe I like the way the anvil rod adjusts on the Dillon more so than the RCBS. Looks as though it would be more precise though I could be wrong.
I had a chance to buy a Dillon for $50 several years ago but passed on it because I could borrow one from a buddy for free. Unfortunately that option no longer exists and I consider my failure to buy the Dillon one of my top 10 reloading mistakes.
It's differences in web thickness that require adjustment for both systems. My experience is that they don't vary much for LC 5.56 brass. Federal crimped brass usually have thinner webs than LC and will require adjustment. I don't waste my time removing crimps from Federal brass so that is a non-issue for me.
Thanks for that feedback as the bench my JR3 is bolted to is also a freestanding bench on wheels and at times jostles things around.
Now don't we have any Frankford Arsenal users?
I do believe that the instructions state that fact, however in my use, I have not had to adjust it.......yet.
Everything goes thru the Swager, crimped or not.
LC, Federal, PMC, Top Brass......all have swaged properly without adjustment.......for me.
Just another $.02 from me...
@kmw1954 .....Did you decide on a swaging unit...?
Not yet, been out of town for the weekend so haven't really given it much thought the past few day. But now that we are back I'll be back at it. I've already got a couple k of LC 223 brass ready to start processing.
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