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Principal May Be Charged in Cat Killings (shooting)

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  1. gunsmith

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    why not just call animal control?

    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20061015/D8KP4QUG0.html

    Principal May Be Charged in Cat Killings
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    Oct 15, 11:02 AM (ET)

    INDUS, Minn. (AP) - A school principal has resigned and could face felony firearm charges after he shot and killed two orphaned kittens on school property last month.

    Wade Pilloud, who resigned as principal of the K-12 Indus school, 40 miles west of International Falls, said he shot the kittens to spare them from starving to death after their mother was killed in an animal trap.

    Pilloud said the shooting, which occurred on school grounds, endangered no one.

    "I have bred cats, and I currently own two myself," he wrote Friday in an e-mail to the Minneapolis Star Tribune. "I am not a cat hater. I did not want the animals to suffer."

    The incident happened Sept. 21, and several students still on the grounds for after-school activities heard the shots.

    "There were parents who felt, apparently some rather strongly, that there were concerns about the safety of their children," said Joseph Flynn, an attorney for the South Koochiching/Rainy River School District. "The district's position is that safety was not compromised."

    John Mastin, acting sheriff in Koochiching County, said Pilloud could be charged with felony possession of a firearm on school property and reckless discharge of a firearm, a misdemeanor.

    County Attorney Jennifer Hasbargen said Friday that the case was under review.

    Mastin said the shooting put no one in danger but said Pilloud used "poor discretion and poor timing," especially amid the growing fear of gun violence in schools.

    The district put Pilloud on administrative leave after the incident. Flynn said Pilloud agreed to an undisclosed settlement and resigned.
     
  2. Tommygunn

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    I hate hearing these kinds of stories. If he was so concerned about these cats starving to death, why didn't he try to find them homes?
     
  3. c_yeager

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    There are a hell of a lot more cats out there than there are homes for them.
     
  4. Aguila Blanca

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    " ... could be" charged?

    I want to know why he wasn't already charged. If he "could be" charged with those things, they must be against the law. If any of US carried a gun onto school property and started shooting stray cats, do you think for a nanosecond that acting Sheriff Mastin would just send us home while he considered whether or not me might be charged?

    I don't think so. I think we'd be hauled off the school yard in handcuffs and have to make a significant bail before being allowed to go home. Yeah, it's a bad law ... but even bad laws are worse when they are not applied objectively and uniformly.
     
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    Why is this even an issue at all, let alone a crime? The cats didnt belong to anyone and no one was harmed by his firing of the gun. This whole thing reeks of nanny-statism.
     
  6. carterbeauford

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    "Felony firearms charges" sure sounds intimidating, but I read of no specific charges.

    Maybe he should have used an air rifle.
     
  7. beerslurpy

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    He should have stuck them in a garbage bag and tied the open end around the tailpipe of his car. Bingo, no firearms charges and no animal cruelty because thats how the shelters do it.

    Still, who cares about destroying feral cats? Unless you're offering to adopt them (hope you have a million pounds of kitty feed), they need to be disposed of. As long someone doesnt use an especially cruel method of dispatching them, I dont see how it is a big deal.

    Shooting cats with a gun is not an especially cruel method of killing them, especially if you shoot the CNS. It isnt like he set them on fire or put them in the blender.
     
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  8. Vairochana

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    Apparently that is the Ethical way yo do it (PETA)
     
  9. bouis

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    I have no qualms about disposing of unwanted animals, but shooting them is unnecessary and probably unsanitary. I would have just drowned them...
     
  10. Phenom

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    No, that's not how vets do it. Vets use the "Lethal Injection" method;) He could have taken the kittens to an animal shelter instead. He's very lucky I wasn't around him when he did that terrible thing. I most likely would have shoved the rifle down his throat, buttstock first:D
     
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    I'm with Phenom. Even if there are more animals than homes for them, you have to at least take them there and try. And, drowning is just about the cruelest way to kill something. I have no respect for anyone that says they'd drown an animal.
     
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    Rats are probably more intelligent than cats and thousands or millions of them are killed every day in incredibly inhumane ways and no one gives a damn, even the tree-hugging vegans.

    Drowning is a very quick and easy way to dispose of very young animals. It's no less humane than letting them them develop until they're much more aware, only to spend their entire lives in a cage before being killed in an unnecessarily expensive way because it eases consciences and fattens a few wallets.
     
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    Does anyone know if this is a state law or the federal unconstitutional 'guns in school zones amendment'?

    This could be a good challenge to strike it down a second time.

    I suspect they won't charge him with the federal crime just so he can't challenge it. Yes, he's a dumbass but still an up-standing principal, with no criminal intent, caught up in the unintended consequences of federal over-jurisdiction.
     
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    Very stupid of him to end his career by doing this. I think he wanted to shoot something. The simple and sensible thing to do is to call the county animal control office and let them handle it. The way things work in this society, you don't win by trying to solve problems that are not your problem.
     
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    That's for me to know and not you!
    The world has far to many people who dont think

    Come on, seriously take the cats home, feed them and then take them to a shelter or see if any parents at the school would like some orphaned kittens.
     
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    Idiot!
    Having a gun in a no-gun-zone. Strike 1.
    FIRING a gun in a no-gun-zone. Strike 2.
    Killing defenseless kittens, oh lord, don't get me started.
    I hope they fry his stupid azz. :fire:
     
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    That's for me to know and not you!
    He should absolutely be punished to the full extent of law, his actions were not that of a responsible gun owner.
     
  18. PotatoJudge

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    High schools are about the best place to get rid of kittens (without a gun of course). My mom has probably found 50 kittens new homes in the years she's taught. Shooting them was very stupid, at the least, and stupid people shouldn't be in charge of education. Now if it comes out that the kittens were covered in ants and dying already, that's a different story- but still one that shouldn't involve guns at school.
    As for the parents that were afraid for their childrens' safety over this, lets hope they're not in education either.
     
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    The principal decided to euthanize (the humane way of killing) the cats. Some would of tried to find a homes or have the students adopt them. Some people may agree with killing the cats. I think the guy made a bad decision with how and when he did it. He shot a gun at school while students were present on school grounds. Isn't that the important issue? Not killing cats, but shooting a gun at an elementary school when the little kids were present. Adults may understand why he killed the kittens, but will all the 8 yr old girls understand? School grounds wasn't the place to do it.

    Drowning doesn't always work. I tried drowning my fish, over and over, and they just wouldn't drown! No matter how long i kept them underwater.
     
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    This reminds me how Wisconsin almost introduced a feral cat season. That would have been fun. ;)
     
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    By the same token, would it be irresponsible to shoot a raccoon that came into your house? I'm interested, because this came up recently with a friend of mine.
     
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    I just cannont believe that a person in the good old USofA may get prosecuted for shooting cats. What is this country coming to??!! :neener:

    I guess he should have just used a shovel? Yes, on school grounds, animal control or law enforcement would have been the prudent way to go. Or at least take them somewhere else to do it. Not smart to shoot on school property these days. Hell, you could probably put them in a card board box and find some kids to take them home or at least feed them during the day.
     
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    It was a couple of cats, WHo cares? Not me the are as bad as rats.
     
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    Or just have some type of naming constest for the cats, and at the end of the day, give the winner and the runner up a free kitten.
     
  25. Liberal Gun Nut

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    If you're in an urban area where guns are not completely PC, then yes it's stupid to discharge a firearm in your house. Discharge a firearm in an incorporated city is usually illegal. Is the raccoon a threat to your life? No. Is he messing up your house? Yes, that's tough luck. Call the cops, call animal control, whatever. The trouble you can get from shooting in your house (arrest, fighting charges of unlawful discharge of a firearm, etc) are so big that no sane person would do it, except maybe in an rural area where such a thing would be clearly culturally acceptable.

    It's also dangerous to shoot rounds in your house unless you live in a sparsely-populated area. Bullets can miss and most pistol calibers can penetrate a dozen layers of drywall.

    This is so stupid. If you want to shoot an animal, get a hunting license and do it that way, or get a pellet gun and shoot mice in your basement where no one can see you.

    Our society takes a very strict view of guns these days. We would do best to acknowledge that. We own guns for IMPORTANT things like defending our lives. If we use them for stupid, frivolous, cruel, or otherwise unnecessary things like shooting kittens and raccoons, it certainly does not help promote the image of being responsible gun owners.
     
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