Printing doesn't matter because most people don't pay attention...

[wayneinFL]

People usually have to be looking for a gun printing to see it. Most people aren't looking, so if you print a little most people won't notice. If you have a white shirt a size too small with a gun in an OWB hip holster in a crowded mall, printing so hard you can tell the manufacturer, you'll likely be asked to leave the mall.

I think that's why people say printing doesn’t matter. I remember buying my first holster, and the guy at the gun shop said "That about as good as it gets. It's going to print."

The problem is when you print and police or criminals are looking for a gun. If cops see you're carrying in an area where carry or open carry is prohibited by law, you have a legal problem. If criminals can see it, you have a criminal problem- you've made yourself a threat or an opportunity.

 

[The Night Rider]

The only way to stop this attack was to NOT BE SEEN AS ARMED.

I mean, the way I understood the video the guy was there to rob the store. So the attack was going to happen anyway. He may not have singled out that particular guy but the attack was going to happen anyway.

 

[drobs]

Situational awareness goes a long way. The only time I worry about printing or a not so well concealed carry gun is...

When I carry at a Gun Show.

 

[bearcreek]

Situational awareness goes a long way. The only time I worry about printing or a not so well concealed carry gun is...

When I carry at a Gun Show.

Every gun show I've ever been to didn't allow loaded carry. Is that not the case in Missouri?

 

[Bcwitt]

Note how he picked just the right moment. When the officer was preoccupied w something else.

 

[drobs]

Every gun show I've ever been to didn't allow loaded carry. Is that not the case in Missouri?

As long as you have a CCW license.

https://revisor.mo.gov/main/OneSection.aspx?section=571.215

"2. Carrying of a concealed firearm in a location specified in subdivisions (1) to (17) of subsection 1 of this section by any individual who holds a Missouri lifetime or extended concealed carry permit shall not be a criminal act but may subject the person to denial to the premises or removal from the premises. If such person refuses to leave the premises and a peace officer is summoned, such person may be issued a citation for an amount not to exceed one hundred dollars for the first offense. If a second citation for a similar violation occurs within a six-month period, such person shall be fined an amount not to exceed two hundred dollars and his or her permit to carry concealed firearms shall be suspended for a period of one year. If a third citation for a similar violation is issued within one year of the first citation, such person shall be fined an amount not to exceed five hundred dollars and shall have his or her Missouri lifetime or extended concealed carry permit revoked and such person shall not be eligible for a Missouri lifetime or extended concealed carry permit or a concealed carry permit issued under sections 571.101 to 571.121 for a period of three years. Upon conviction of charges arising from a citation issued under this subsection, the court shall notify the sheriff of the county which issued the Missouri lifetime or extended concealed carry permit. The sheriff shall suspend or revoke the Missouri lifetime or extended concealed carry permit.

 

[Kleanbore]

Every gun show I've ever been to didn't allow loaded carry. Is that not the case in Missouri?

There's no general rule. A person may not carry into any private property posted as off limits.

 

[bearcreek]

As long as you have a CCW license.

https://revisor.mo.gov/main/OneSection.aspx?section=571.215

"2. Carrying of a concealed firearm in a location specified in subdivisions (1) to (17) of subsection 1 of this section by any individual who holds a Missouri lifetime or extended concealed carry permit shall not be a criminal act but may subject the person to denial to the premises or removal from the premises. If such person refuses to leave the premises and a peace officer is summoned, such person may be issued a citation for an amount not to exceed one hundred dollars for the first offense. If a second citation for a similar violation occurs within a six-month period, such person shall be fined an amount not to exceed two hundred dollars and his or her permit to carry concealed firearms shall be suspended for a period of one year. If a third citation for a similar violation is issued within one year of the first citation, such person shall be fined an amount not to exceed five hundred dollars and shall have his or her Missouri lifetime or extended concealed carry permit revoked and such person shall not be eligible for a Missouri lifetime or extended concealed carry permit or a concealed carry permit issued under sections 571.101 to 571.121 for a period of three years. Upon conviction of charges arising from a citation issued under this subsection, the court shall notify the sheriff of the county which issued the Missouri lifetime or extended concealed carry permit. The sheriff shall suspend or revoke the Missouri lifetime or extended concealed carry permit.

There's no general rule. A person may not carry into any private property posted as off limits.

Wasn't asking about the law. That's easy to find. I was asking about what the gun shows in Missouri typically have as their policy. I've been to many shows in three different states and all prohibited loaded carry.

 

[wayneinFL]

Wasn't asking about the law. That's easy to find. I was asking about what the gun shows in Missouri typically have as their policy. I've been to many shows in three different states and all prohibited loaded carry.

I thought the point of drobs's post was that he didn't want to print because he was carrying at a gun show against policy.

 

[bearcreek]

I thought the point of drobs's post was that he didn't want to print because he was carrying at a gun show against policy.

You know, you're right. I read his post and for whatever reason thought that the second sentence was an example of an exception to the first. My mistake.

 

[Resist Evil]

I'm going with "never underestimate the enemy" regarding concealed firearm carry. I always take care to do my best with concealment. I don't care if somebody either is incompetent with concealment or if somebody just open carries. It only matters to me if someone has a gun in their hand.

 

[drobs]

I thought the point of drobs's post was that he didn't want to print because he was carrying at a gun show against policy.

Correct.

 

[luzyfuerza]

I'm going with "never underestimate the enemy" regarding concealed firearm carry. I always take care to do my best with concealment.

This is the best approach.

I would add that good opsec contributes to concealment. There's more to hiding a defensive tool than a good holster, belt, and a cover garment.

I was in a remote, outdoor area recently, and a good friend saw me take my handgun/holster off while I was getting ready to crawl into my sleeping bag. He asked "do you always carry a gun?" I responded "Yea, pretty much." He had never observed the gun, despite knowing me pretty well for several years, having shot with me, and doubtless seeing a bulge from time to time.

My wife is the very best at this, though. She's a slightly-built girly-girl grandma who wears a little makeup, earrings and normal clothes. Looking at her, most would never consider her to be capable of defending herself in any way. But its all a disguise. Nobody that I know of has ever suspected her of carrying, bulge or no bulge. I wish that I could hide a defensive tool on my person that well.

 

[Blue Jays]

/\/\/\

Now I will know to always crawl completely into my sleeping bag FIRST prior to unholstering!

 

[IWAC]

Ever heard this one? It's wrong.

Even if most people don't pay attention, all it takes is one who does and then it matters.

The caption of this video is incorrect. The off-duty officer is NOT open-carrying, he's just not bothering to conceal carefully. His carry gun is printing.



Now it's someone else's gun. Someone noticed it and took it from him at gunpoint.

If you're going to open carry, or if you're not really bothering to conceal your gun, you need to take steps to deal with the reality that guns are desirable items to criminals. Retention holsters can deal with gun grabs, but frankly, I don't know how to deal with the type of threat seen in this video-other than to really conceal the firearm.

If I carry concealed, I want that fact to be possibly the biggest surprise of an assailant's life!

 

[Ironicaintit]

The whole point of good concealment is to elude the eyes of those bad guys who CAN tell the difference. The ones who don't notice aren't typically going to be the ones who cause problems anyway.