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Private Citizens and Body Armor? Good or Bad?

Discussion in 'Legal' started by AZRickD, May 15, 2004.

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What do you think of private citizens owning body armor?

  1. It's a good thing

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    78.2%
  2. It's a bad thing

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    0.6%
  3. I don't care

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  4. I already own some

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  1. AZRickD

    AZRickD Member

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    A couple of days ago Tim W posted a group buy for ballistic plates at the "Buy, Sell, Trade" forum:
    http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=81791
    Wild Alaska asked the following question:
    What do you think of private citizens owning body armor, be it with or without ballistic plates?

    Rick
     
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  2. El Tejon

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    Since when in the Constitution about determining needs?:confused:

    Fundamental constitutional rights are not need based. One does not need go to the house of worship of his choice. One does not need so many choices in books or the press. One does not need to petition the government. One does not need so much freedom, just ask WildI'mgrumpytodayfromabearmaulingleavemealoneAlaska.:D
     
  3. 41mag

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    I really don't even see why it would be questionable.Body armor,in & of itself,doesn't hurt anything.It's basically just real heavy clothes.
    If I had the means($$$) & the desire I could buy an armor plated car & build my house out of heavy steel plate.What's the difference?Is the potential concern that a criminal might wear body armor & defeat the efforts of the PD to "bring them down"-like in North Hollywood?
    Has there been a spate of armored goblins attacking the local "stop & robs"that I missed?
    Or did I miss the point altogether?

    :D
     
  4. PATH

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    Body armor should be available to all who want it. I would make the use of it in a violent felonious act a heavy duty felony though.
     
  5. Hkmp5sd

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    Many instructors recommend having body armor in your home defense equipment alongside your gun, flashlight and cellphone. Most folks would find it uncomfortable to wear all day in public, but as with owning a gun, it is an individual choice. It's not really a "law abiding" question, but how far you want to take self protection.
     
  6. armoredman

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    I have worn some sort of body armor for the last 10+ years, and it is hot, uncomfortable, bulky, and an absolute life saver. Ordinary citizens will not wear most vests, simply because they are a pain. A good level IIIA vest is nice to have, especially in a roll out kit, external carrier with attached goodies. :cool:
     
  7. GSB

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    It certainly seems like it might be a handy thing to have around when things go bump in the night. It can be misused, but I don't see the magic line between "can be misused" and "must be prohibited" in this case. I mean, ultimately we're talking about a piece of personal protection equipment with no capacity in and of itself to harm anything. Might as well say my car can't have tires rated for over 100 mph because high performance tires allow me to drive at speeds that make vehiclular chases unsafe for law-enforcement.
     
  8. Chris Rhines

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    Body armor is a useful tool for special occasions, although I can't see wearing it on a daily basis (not while punching computer keys and wiring speakers all day.)

    Needless to say, it should be available to anyone who has the purchase price.

    - Chris
     
  9. Soap

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    Nothing is more irritating than telling me what I need. But then again, the question I want to ask is why the hell would someone want a lowrider truck? :p

    Really, it has already been said. Its not about need. Regardless of need, I'd rather have the good guys with the body armor, MGs, etc. than the BGs.
     
  10. MeekandMild

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    Some thoughts

    First of all, there are several civilian jobs where the risk of attack is high. I immediately think of the little man I used to do business with in the city who owned a beverage store. He was short, fat and middle aged and too slow to dodge any danger at all. Then I think of the cab driver I met in Chicago. He said he worked the clubs of the south side every weekend and saw a lot of interesting things. He offered to sell me a tour, which I declined.

    Second, there is the little fact people should mind their own business and not be so judgmental of what citizens do with their free enterprise.

    Third, concerning WA's crank yanking, I wonder how many people believe the concept that in a free society the citizens must take responsibility for the public safety and public order. Hmmm I think I will open another thread on this.
     
  11. Zach S

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    I dont care if a citizen has body armor or not. I dont have a need for it, but if someone else does, or they simply want it, I dont see the problem.

    I'm sure there's a lot of people that think I dont need a beat up Fairmont capable of doing 140mph, but I've got one outside.
     
  12. Rebar

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    I've been at the range and witnessed a couple accidents, I'm sure most of you all have also (luckly no one was hurt). Several times I thought to get a vest, even if it was just to wear at the range. It'd also be comforting to have in case another LA riot type situation developed.
     
  13. BeLikeTrey

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    Thanks GSB!!

    Great give the libs more ideas on stuff to ban! :neener:
     
  14. Hkmp5sd

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    Nah, the libs like fast cars too. They just want to ban stuff they don't like.
     
  15. Justin

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    In a free society one person's misguided perception of what constitutes "need" shouldn't even enter into the discussion of what a citizen can and cannot own.
     
  16. 7.62FullMetalJacket

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    It's deja vu all over again. Guns, SUVs, cell phones, etc.

    Why don't the busybodies just leave us alone?
     
  17. buy guns

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    you could also say

     
  18. Kim

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    I suggest when someone starts taking about banning body armour ask them (because most will be left leaning) if they think the protestors that we see at the WTO meetings should not be allowed to own the gas masks they use to keep the tear gas and pepper spray out of their eyes!:evil:
     
  19. AZRickD

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    Body armor is like condoms fer gunnies. :neener:

    Rick
     
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    I say yes, anything police have we should be allowed to have too, including the evil MG's, assault rifles and body armor. We pretty flog to death around here that law abiding gun owners are not the issue when it comes to crime, therefore there is no reason I can see to treat us like criminals or as some "lower" class because we aren't all agents of the state.......
     
  21. LAR-15

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    Body Armor is real popular in Great Britian these days. :rolleyes:

    Wonder why? They banned handguns.
     
  22. artherd

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    Wild Alaska- I am ashamed of your behavior.

    I know several law-abiding citizens who NEED (as in, have been SHOT AT, and lived) rifle-level armored vehicles.
     
  23. SapperLeader

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    Ive worn body armor before for work, and thier hot and uncomfortable. They are also extremely comforting. I would love to own a set for wearing to the range or for any unusual circumstances that turn up. If someone wants to own a set of armor, thats their business.
     
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    Wild Alaska wrote:

    "Just out of curiosity, why would a law-abiding citizen want a ballistic plate???"

    Um, to stop bullets, knives, steering wheel columns, etc, from puncturing one's torso?

    Wild Alaska wrote;

    "I find it hard to believe that a law abiding citizen would need one ... ."

    Gee, are you saying law abiding citizens never get shot, or shot at, or stabbed, or get into car crashes? I know if I worked as a clerk in a convenience store *I'd* sure want to wear some concealable body armor, especially since I probably couldn't carry a gun on the job. Ditto if I were an an air traveler. Just because you can't have any weapons doesn't mean you should be required to be a defenseless bullet sponge.

    Gosh, why would a law abiding citizen ever need safety glasses or goggles? Or seat belts? Or a hard hat or a crash helmet? Or steel-toed work boots, or heavy work gloves?

    I find it hard to believe anyone would object to private citizens taking purely passive measures to protect life and limb.

    Gosh, why would any law abiding citizen need a high fence around his house, or a gate across his driveway?

    Why would a law abiding citizen ever need deadbolt locks on his solid-core or metal doors? Or need to brace them against the floor with a "charlie bar"?

    Why would he need heavy-duty steel shutters on his windows? Or even heavy "blackout" drapes? All that just makes the job of the police so much harder when they want to peep in or bust in in the dead of night.

    Law-abiding citizens should have no objections to a SWAT team ramming in their doors or doing "break-and-rakes" to their windows and tossing in "flashbangs" and/or tear gas grenades at zero-dark-thirty. They should all live in glass houses with no locks on the doors or windows, and never wear anything that could possibly conceal (or *be*) a weapon. :rolleyes:

    MCB
     
  25. Wildalaska

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    Whoa hold a minute here guys...a simple question deserves this level of invective...???

    Ya'all act like I am advocating the ban of all firearms by simply questioning WHY (emphasis added) a private citizen needs one..

    Ia int stupid fellas, I know darn well there are occupations where Body Armor is a necessity...

    But your average homeowner...come on tell me WHY Johnny Suburbia NEEDS a threat plate..not that he cant or shouldnt, but WHY... (and yes I know the "Becasue he wants to" argument, I have a US Army flack vest gathering dust myself)..

    Guess Im more interested in seeing rational discussion of the subject which may demonstrate peoples general outlook on life.

    And Artherd and anyone else..you "ashamed" (my god I questioned conventional wisdom) of my behavior..well add me to your ignore list...Oh and terribly sorry for raising the issue in a For Sale thread (which kept it on top I may add)..just that the subject is not one that I ever really considered before...or much bothered with


    WildmygodsuchangerAlaska
     
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