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Private Gun Owners are are USELESS to national defense, right?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by MicroBalrog, Jul 20, 2003.

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  1. MicroBalrog

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    Someone better tell this guy.

    This is an Israeli Civil Guard Sniper. He owns this rifle.
     
  2. ACP230

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    A book in my library, "A Comprehensive Small Arms Manual," by Charles T. Haven was used in forming Home Guards during World War II. Forms inside could be reproduced and used to solicit guns from private owners that were used to arm the Home Guard. Thre is also a form for recording who the guns came from so they could be returned, if possible, after the hostilities ended.

    This shows that through World War II civilians and their arms were a definite part of the National Defense.

    I also saw a story about the Civil Air Patrol. They went from spotting German submarines, to harassing them with low level passes, to bombing subs. CAP members were credited with destroying one sub, according to the story.
     
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    That is possibly one of the most beautiful things I've ever seen.

    A German rifle, with most likely German optics held by a Jew, a civilian to boot, defending Israel.

    God in heaven if that scene could have been played out 70 some years ago across Europe.
     
  5. saddenedcitizen

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    According to some things I've read

    The Japanese were VERY concerned about armed citizens when considering
    invasion of Hawaii and/or U.S. mainland.
    As far as the U.S. military turning on U.S. citizens keep this in mind -
    In many other countries, especially totalitarian ones, the military personnel
    are kept far more 'isolated' than in this country(fewer family visits. leaves,
    'normal' day to day life etc.) Many are in the military in other countries simply to have a dry (sometimes) bed and enough to eat and MAYBE some money - basically conscripts coerced 'financially rather than by force. These types of situations create individuals who are FAR less likely to have compunctions against firing on 'their own people'. It's called conditioning.
    In this country, things are different (& better IMHO) as in -
    BS!!!, I'm not attacking that town - I used to live there/my friend's family lives there and I know them well/you try to shoot my family and I'll shoot YOU !!
    I think that the closeness of the military families in this country,while not totally preventing the possibility of this, would make it very unlikely.
     
  6. Hal

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    Lest we forget,,
    'e's got 2 tanks backing him up too.- - - Least I hope the tanks are on his side or he's one deaf and dumb sucka to let a tank get close enough to do a prostate check on 'im. ;)

    Seriously though,,, a good friend (sadly he passed away some time ago) of mine was a resistance fighter in Yugoslavia during WWII. He had some good stories about the young girls that he fought alongside of, and how they dealt with German tank crews.
    Scary stuff.
     
  7. goon

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    My dad, the man who taught me to shoot, isn't military material.
    He is 55, overweight, and smokes like a forest fire.
    He can also hit anything he can see with his old '99 Savage.
    I would bet that he could knock off bad guys with little difficulty, and he is about the worst example of the ideal resistance fighter.
    No military training, no physical fitness, and no idea of what tactical means.
    None of that matters. He can shoot and he has always loved a good fight.
    I saw him take a whitetail through the brainstem at a paced 400 yards once.
    With a country full of people like that any invading army would have real problems as soon as the infantry got out of the APC's.
    Shoot the guy with the radio first, the machine gunner next, then anyone who looks like they are in charge as the opportunity presents itself.
     
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    Any one seen the movie "Red Dawn" with Patrick Swazye And Charlie Sheen from several years ago? These "civilian" teenagers gave the well trained, well armed Russian invaders serious FITS For several months.

    Don't discount the armed citizen when he/she is ticked off.
     
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    Simply Excellent. Thank you.
     
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    Great pic.
     
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    Anyone else notice the guy in the picture is a codgernaut, about my age, grey hair and glasses?

    :D

    'But the same age as the rifle, maybe a little younger. Old age and treachary will overcome youth and vigor any day.

    Regards,
    Rabbit.
     
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    Look real close where the tank cannons are pointing. :eek: :what:
     
  13. 4v50 Gary

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    Oh, the gunners in those APCs are probably going to shoot the flies off the guy's hat. Won't even come near him. :eek: Trust me.

    Now, we Americans would have gotten a "tactical" synthetic stock on that rifle as well as paint it and dress it up with burlap. We need to send Skunkabilly over to give them some "fashion" lessons. ;)
     
  14. MicroBalrog

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    I've seen BAD 4 Rules violations, but this...
     
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    Those tankers have their tubes "on the decks",just sittin back enjoying the show!.and alot of private gun owners used to shoot those big guns and most still could once its liberated from the original owner!
     
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    The Red Dawn scenario is unworkable against a modern military thanks to multispectral UAV surveillance.

    A person or group of persons in a wilderness environment are easy pickings for someone who can look down on you with IR cameras. Sure you can hide effectively, but not and get anything done at the same time.

    The way to do it is the way it is done. Work in population centers. Sure the surveillance will see you, but there's no way to separate you from the other thousands of people who have a legit reason to be there.
     
  17. MicroBalrog

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    And then there's the fact that UAV's can't see through roofs.

    Subways and sewers are great, too.
     
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    Point taken, but we must not lose sight of the fact that this was a MOVIE. The story of the Warsaw Ghetto uprising is more compelling, because it actually happened.
     
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    He is probably deceased by now, But remember the quote from WWII Japanese Admiral Yamamoto on why the Japanese did not invade the US Mainland after the crushing US defeat in Pearl Harbor ?

    Something along the line of:

    "...We were not so foolish as to step into that pool of quicksand. [We knew] there would be a rifle waiting behind every blade of grass..."

    Pretty darned strong argument to any invading force, I would say.
     
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    He went down in a G4M Betty, shot down by a P-38.
     
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    Japanese communication codes? What Japanese communication codes?

    Any kind of grassroots resistance effort would be extremely bloody on all sides. Don't get romantic notions of nailing an officer at 400 yards and then melting into the forest without examining the military doctrine covering how to deal with snipers.

    I believe it could happen. I know for a fact that it wouldn't be simple.
     
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    Dave Barry on the militia

    I'm in the middle of reading an old Dave Barry book, written during the Reagan administration. There was a passage that seemed appropriate to add to this thread. Here's what he had to say:

     
  23. bad_dad_brad

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    Red Dawn aside - I like that movie a lot - but today that scenario would be highly unlikely.

    The only army currently capable of invading America is our own. God help us if it ever comes to that. Things would have to be pretty desperate, and as they say "desperate times breed desperate people." If things were that bad, I am sure that many citizens would be shooting back. Nothing short of a civil war.

    But I see no indicators that that sort of desperation is around the bend. Still, I do feel safer knowing my AR-15 is always close.
     
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    Every time an armed law-abiding American citizen stops a crime, the nation is safer. I believe homeland security begins at home.
     
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    That kind of thinking breeds complacency. Never underestimate your opponents. We may have already been invaded covertly and they are waiting a time to attack. Will they win? Who knows, but don't rule out the possiblity.
     
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