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Pro-2A: We Need to be the People Providing Solutions

Discussion in 'Activism Discussion and Planning' started by <*(((><, Mar 2, 2018.

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    It seems that there needs to be a focused effort on the Pro-2A organizations to put forth our own design of "common sense solutions" for gun violence that doesn't involve eroding our rights afforded to us by the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

    I know some of these solutions will start veering towards politics. Please keep in mind we are a Gun Forum and need to have our conversations center around Guns or else this thread will get closed in a hurry. I'm trying to strictly come up with areas that affect gun rights and hope we can stay on track.


    Solutions for helping with gun violence:

    Immigration Effects Gun Violence - Importing Criminal Activity
    1. Border wall to cut off the flow of drugs, sex trafficking, kid napping, illegal immigration of criminals which all contribute to the bloodshed on the streets which become gun crime statistics.
    a. Open up greater amounts of legal immigration with detailed vetting of applicants, this will help with the many industries that need unskilled labor that is dependable and trustworthy.
    Criminal Justice System Solutions to Curb Gun Violence - Jail/Prison Should Feared by All
    1. Protect the use of various degrees of forced labor by inmates (hard, moderate, easy) to pay for the costs of their incarceration.
    a. Tax incentives to business' that can create a safe, secure and beneficial use for inmate labor use.​
    2. Reduce the luxuries the inmates have been afforded in this PC world we live in, the inmates don't work, they don't eat.
    a. Good behavior and hard work can lead to minor luxuries.
    b. Provide learning centers to educate inmates for their future reintroduction into society.​
    3. Expand Death Row for Severe Crimes
    a. Upon fulfillment of due process, process death row inmates quickly.
    Gun Free Zones
    1. Remove gun free zones as these only apply to law abiding citizens, criminals don't care.

    Gun Safety Classes in School
    1. Teach safe handling of firearms
    2. Provide a factual demonstration of what a firearm is capable of, to dispel what is depicted in video games, movies, etc.
    3. Require all future gun owners to have attended a gun safety class in their school or NRA or like organization before being allowed to purchase a firearm at 18 years old.
    4. Discuss the 2A and it's importance.
    5. Expand extracurricular and/or elective school activities that pertain to the region the school resides involving guns (hunting, reloading, shooting, gunsmithing, etc)

    Concealed Carry 50 State Reciprocity
    1. Maintain the states rights to expand on Federal Concealed Carry laws but preclude the Federal government from restricting a states rights to concealed carry (maintain 10th Amendment)

    Soft Targets for Terror - shools, churches, outdoor sporting events, areas where vehicles can be used to kill pedestrians, etc.
    1. Places of high density of unarmed populace need to be hardened and security protocols updated.
    a. We have highly trained retired veterans (that can be trained and certified) that can be put to work creating security protocols and physical inspections of soft targets for terror to ensure perimeters are secure.​


    Maybe someone can come up with some ideas pertaining to "Mental Health" as that is a tough one for me to figure out. There needs to be some changes in our countries mental health system but we need to be careful of Constitutional rights.

     
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    Sounds like a great start. You do realize not one of these will get any support from the left. And with the current Senate rules without 60 votes nothing will pass.
     
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    Yes, but hopefully brainstorming can place many good ideas together, to which there can be a focus on what has the potential of having bipartisan support. I realize that there is a heavy bias in my solutions, but if they can be presented correctly and with facts and statistics to back them up maybe some "fence sitters" would be willing to consider hearing us out.
     
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    I wish
    Unfortunately beside Manchin of WVA I don’t know of a single Dem that’s done anything to work with the president.
     
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    Immigration - If you REALLY think a wall is the solution, you're delusional. It doesn't matter what kind of wall they put up, illegal immigrants will get through. The vast majority of illegal immigrants aren't criminals, its just that people from poor countries can't afford the $7,000-10,000 it costs to legally get into the country.

    Prison - Mostly agree, except the last part. How many cases of "due process" have still been shown to incarcerate innocent people? Sure, statistically it may not comprise a large percentage, but I guarantee that if you were wrongfully incarcerated you wouldn't accept that your position on death row is for "the greater good."

    Gun Free Zones - Agreed.

    Gun Education - All for extracurricular shooting sports, but I don't think mandatory courses on gun safety for students is viable or even desirable. Teaching critical thinking will solve most of those issues.

    Universal Concealed Carry - No. This is a state issue. I don't think supporting universal concealed carry is consistent with believing in a smaller federal government. The feds shouldn't have the ability to mandate state laws.

    Soft Targets - Nonsense. At least in the long term. Possibly a short term solution, but we need to focus more on the social issues that are driving this violence, not militarizing school systems.
     
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    Conceal carry is not a state issue. What gives a state the right to deny me my Constitutional right? As a Virginia resident I can’t carry in DC, NY, CA, MD etc and NO WAY to get a permit. Worse if I drive across the river into DC I can be arrested and put in prison if I have even one spent case as DC considers ammo and components as guns.

    Imagine going to the range. Having a shell casing roll out of your gear. You clean your vehicle to comply with the law but it’s not where yo7 can see. You go to DC to a museum or the Kennedy center. On your way someone runs a red light and hits you. The shell comes loose and is visible. A cop sees it and now you’re fighting for your freedom.

    It can happen and DC is not friendly to people from outside of the city when it comes to their gun laws. Just like NJ. Just it as well publicized.

    Plus conceal carry works. We know places that have conceal carry have less crime
     
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