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Problem Owning a Firearm with a “Body” on it?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by buck00, Apr 30, 2007.

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  1. buck00

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    This topic came up recently. I have a friend who owns a pistol which was used in a suicide years ago (non-family). He has no problem with that. Another friend said he would never want a firearm with such a macabre past.

    Meanwhile, another buddy proudly showed me a German K98 with rough wear to it, and eagerly speculated about how many “godless Russian commies” it was used to kill on the Eastern Front during the war. He had no problem if the rifle killed people... and actually felt it enhanced the worth.

    What about you all?

    1. Would you have a problem owning a firearm that possibly killed people in combat? What about in the civilian world- murder, suicide, accident… etc?

    2. Do any of you own a firearm which was definetely used in combat? Does this add or detract from your personal feelings about it?

    Note- I am NOT asking if YOU used the firearm to kill anyone. Let’s not start that type of thread.
     
  2. imprezagm4

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    Interesting... I probably wouldn't want a handgun used in a suicide. However, I have no problem with owning milsurp weapons.
     
  3. Omaney

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    Absolutely no problem... A firearm is inanimate and certainly not responsible for a fatality. I have trouble empathizing with those that regard “things” in this manner. IMO a firearm is just a machine.
     
  4. scurtis_34471

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    Owning somebody's suicide weapon would be creepy, but I'd have no problem with a weapon that killed someone in self-defense or war. I know. Its not rational. Its a completely emotional thing. It may have to do with the fact that my best friend in high school killed himself (No gun was involved. He slashed his wrists and hung himself).
     
  5. Carl N. Brown

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    A soldier might have killed in combat with a gun, but the gun
    itself did not kill.

    Would you own a car that had been used to transport drugs
    or teenage prostitutes across state lines? Such cars are sold
    at police auction.

    My stepdad had a Winchester M12 that had been a prison
    guard gun. We never cared if it had been fired in anger.
    What we cared about was, it was a Winchester Model 12.

    Same with the Mausers, M1 carbine or Yugo AK I have owned.
    The gun just executes, for good or ill, the will of the person
    using it.
     
  6. Big Calhoun

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    Can't say that I honestly have given it much thought. I mean, I've been perusing pawn shops for a good deal and suppose that any number of them could have a jaded past. I guess I would not want to knowingly purchase as weapon that had been used in a crime or suicide. I also wouldn't seek that information out as a matter in the final determination of purchase.
     
  7. torpid

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    In all likelihood, at some point you have drank from the same drinking fountain that provided life-sustaining water to a murderer.
     
  8. Cain R

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    I once owned a Marlin 336C in .35 Remington that was used in a suicide. The reciever still had the etching where the blood had caused the blueing to rust. Bought it because it was a real deal $150 and other than the problems with the blueing it was like new and I thought it would make a great little quad gun. Never meshed with that gun and always got he heebeejeebees when I took it out. Not only that, I missed a 170 whitetail at 70 yds with it, but thats another story. Kept it for only 6 months and traded it away as quick as I could. Rifles used in the heat of battle? I own many, suicide? No WAY!
     
  9. littledoc

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    Why not?

    The firearm didn't do it.
     
  10. TheArchDuke

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    My brother knows someone who has a milsurp rifle (wow that's vague) with tally marks on the trigger guard.

    I own a Mosin that was made in the middle of WWII so it almost certainly was used to kill some Germans. I wouldn't even mind having a handgun used in a suicide. My girlfriend/future wife would have a HUGE problem with it though.

    She has her father's Mauser but refuses to use it because he died when she was 1 and she never knew him. She thinks it's a little creepy for some reason even though his death was not gun related.
     
  11. Deavis

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    Who cares? Piece of metal, nothing more and nothing less.
     
  12. vynx

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    Unless someone bonked a BG on the head with the rifle, pistol, whatever, then it didn't kill anyone.

    I think the bullet does the killing the firearm is just the launching tool.

    Seriously, people kill not guns.
     
  13. lee n. field

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    If it's like my Mosin, it may have been used to try to kill some Germans. :) Quite inaccurate.
     
  14. Dixie_Amazon

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    Not a problem. The gun is not the responsible party.
     
  15. mcmoyer

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    I have a .357 revolver that my wife's dad used to shoot himself with. My wife held on to it for years (dunno why) then a while back she gave it to me to "do something with". Still have it in the back of the closet. It would be a good candidate for a turn-in program (some off-brand German item).
     
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    In the case of my Mosin, the Russian soldier probably hit one German and then died himself while trying to get that dang bolt to open!
     
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    My uncle committed suicide witha S&W .38. WE were close he was like my dad. I asked my cousin if I could have it as it was the last thing he touched. She first said yes then changed her mind. It's OK I went out and got my 642. The 442 I just bought and can't DROS for another 10 days was apparently bought by a young woman for $425. She took the gun home with a box of ammo and three days later sold it back to the gun shop for $225. The Manager of the Gun shop said she was young and had thinning hair, possibly a cancer patint going through chemo, and suspected she bought it to do something unspeakable, and changed her mind. I got the 442 NIB never fired for $325.

    There's a story behind everything.
     
  18. ArmedBear

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    I have some WW II issue guns, and a bayonet or two that match them. Also, like many people here, I have some old combloc guns that were used to enforce authoritarianism, and a Steyr used by forces within Nazi-held Austria on her own people -- MY ancestors.

    I don't know specifically what the individual guns were used for. But my having them locked up prevents them from being used in any way that I find to be immoral.

    It's my duty to keep these killing machines off the street!:p
     
  19. DogBonz

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    I have one

    My grandfathers 1911A1. He used it in WWII against a few Germans. If he didn't have that gun I most likely would not be here, so yes... It has some added value to me. Not because it has taken a life, but because it SAVED lives.
     
  20. Plink

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    I have a bunch of milsurp guns. I know some were used in combat. Whether they took a life or not, I'll never know and it doesn't matter. They're pieces of history. I think I'd feel funny about a gun used to commit suicide though. One of my best friends killed himself last summer. The family knows I'm a gun collector. I asked them to not offer me the gun when it was released.
     
  21. Jim K

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    Any military weapon that was in issue during wartime might have been used to kill. I don't worry about it. I have one gun that was used in a suicide. The man who used it borrowed it and when he got it back from the police he didn't want it and sold it cheap. I have no problem with its past.

    In fact, guns used to kill often bring very high prices on the market if the victim, the killer, or both were prominent people. I need not go into detail on "old West" guns, or a certain Carcano.

    Jim
     
  22. Neo-Luddite

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    Not to go off on a tangent, but aren't 'modern' suicide guns usually forfeit to the government as evidence? I'm sure laws differ in diffrent locals.

    That said, I really wouldn't want a gun some one used to off himself. I have several mil-surps. If push came to shove I wouldn't be too weirded out to use or own a suicide gun--but I wouldn't seek one out.

    I'm sure there is a 'collectors' niche out there. Not saying its not interesting as a focus, but on the dark side. Like stuff that ends up in Hollocaust collections -- informative but creepy.
     
  23. 3fgburner

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    Don't know about suicides, but...

    Let's see:

    Of the 4 Makarovs I have, one (Commercial IJ70) probably does not have a "history". The other 3 are milsurps - Bulgarian, East German, Soviet. Then there's the Polish P64 and Tokarev TT33; FEG PA63; P1/P38 (guessing that it's a WW II top on the alloy Bundeswehr frame, from the markings); CZ52 and CZ82... I doubt the M48 YugoMauser or the Norinco SKS ever saw combat, but the Yugo SKS probably did.

    I'm still irked that my father sold the WWII Mauser that he'd picked up in the Congo, without giving me a chance to bid. CIA trace showed it'd been used by the Wehrmacht, given to the Czechs as reparations loot, then shipped to Red rebels in [the Belgian Congo] / [Zaire] / [Democratic Rep of Congo] / [whatever it is this week]. That one had actual bloodstains from the last owner before Dad's merc buddy.
     
  24. MrDig

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    Combat Weapons, and or MilSurp, well since it was a military weapon one must presume it was used in Conflict. I own a few MilSurp's. Unless there is a direct chain of custody that can be verified one will never know for certain will they?
    Suicide? Most go into police custody and more often than not are destroyed along with guns used in Felonies when they are no longer needed as evidence.
    Sometimes the confiscated weapons are sold to FFL's in other states, one never knows what was done with those or why they were confiscated.
    On occasion stolen property is actually returned to the rightful owner. Much to their chagrin if the insurance check was already cashed.
    This is second hand information from an older brother who is a retired LEO
     
  25. mavracer

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    no problem I have a S&W 1917 army that was shurely in europe during WWI and it as a definite notch cut in the grip.wish it could tell storys
     
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