Quantcast
  1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Problems at a Gun Show...

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Nugilum, Apr 28, 2008.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Nugilum

    Nugilum Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2007
    Messages:
    1,003
    Location:
    Texas Panhandle
    I was at the Atlanta gun show last weekend, and we were told by the Sheriff's department before we entered that we were FORBIDDEN to sell or purchase firearms outside of the convention center. "All transactions are to be held inside the building only!"

    WTH! :what: :fire: :mad::what::fire: :mad:

    I made the mistake of calling him on it. I tried to be diplomatic and asked him some questions (ex: What's the difference with buying a gun out here and buying from an ad in the newspaper?) but got that classic "look" from him, and he walked off. I then had an officer follow me the whole time I was in the building. :cuss: He wouldn't even talk to me. I didn't purchase anything that required my ID. I even took a round-about path back to my car.

    Regardless, I had a successful venture. I was able to get all the missing accessories for my AR and M1 projects (AR15-A2 stock, slings, bayonets, stock cleaning kits, etc.) :D

    So was my treatment out of the norm for everyone else, or did my "People Skills" cause this situation?
     
  2. csmkersh

    csmkersh Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2004
    Messages:
    1,050
    Location:
    San Antonio TX


    Did you get any badge numbers? If so, file a complaint with the State AG's office.
     
  3. Nugilum

    Nugilum Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2007
    Messages:
    1,003
    Location:
    Texas Panhandle
    Wasn't smart enough for that... :eek:
     
  4. RancidSumo

    RancidSumo Member

    Joined:
    May 16, 2007
    Messages:
    1,168
    Location:
    Green River, WY
    I'd have told him to leave me the **** alone and go stop some actual crimes.
     
  5. chucrusty

    chucrusty Member

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2008
    Messages:
    20
    personaly i would have asked him to help carry some of my purchases, since he was tagging along anyway!
     
  6. mlw332

    mlw332 Member

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2008
    Messages:
    143
    Location:
    Starkville, Mississippi
    personaly i would have asked him to help carry some of my purchases, since he was tagging along anyway!


    i agree he coulda at least been helpful in some way
     
  7. TAB

    TAB Member

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2007
    Messages:
    2,475
    I would have been asking every single ammo vender if they had any of the "black cop killer ammo"
     
  8. Dismantler

    Dismantler Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2008
    Messages:
    288
    Location:
    New Hampshire
    There are signs at the NH gun shows that I attend forbidding parking lot sales. I never really gave them any thought. Guess it's because I did not have anything to sell...

    My common time at a show is two hours, so that deputy would have had a long morning with me. :)
     
  9. tntwatt

    tntwatt Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2008
    Messages:
    329
    Location:
    Georgia
    Sounds like he's show boating for re-election and the anti votes. He refused to answer your question because he knew he was outside of the law. Should have a video camera available (cell phone) to record the incident. Also should have recorded telling the cop following you that he was making you nervous by following you and that you considered it harrassment. Then file a complaint. (that's all assuming you have tons of money for needless lawyer fees needed to protect your rights.)
     
  10. sort00

    sort00 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2007
    Messages:
    36
    Heck I usually spend at 4hrs to 5hrs so I don't miss anything, and at One of the last 1's there was more action/trading done in the parking lot than inside:cool:
     
  11. Robert Hairless

    Robert Hairless Member

    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2003
    Messages:
    3,983
    People skills? We don' need no steenkin' people skills.

    So a guy goes to a pharmacy and says "Gimme a bunch of uppers."

    And the pharmacist says back to him "Lemme see your prescription."

    Then the guy says "What's the difference with buying pills in here and buying on the street?"

    So the pharmacist calls the cops and the guy says to them "Virtuous people challenge authority. So prove to me that you're really cops, show me proof of your training, prove that you own the gun on your hip, where is the registration for that car you drove, what size uniforms do you wear, and where is your evidence that the laws you say you are enforcing were ever passed? Give me the name of each legislator who voted for them, his or her age, and evidence that he/she was duly elected. Just sayin'."

    No offense intended. :)
     
  12. ants

    ants Member

    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2007
    Messages:
    3,551
    Maybe it can help to take a fresh look.

    Our convention center has extensive contracts with a show organizer. It guarantees that the convention center will have no competing show of the same type on that same day (i.e, there won't be two gun shows at the same time). On that day it gives exclusive right to the show organizer to use the property for the intended purpose, exclusive of all other venders, swap meets, and private parties. This includes the entire property, not just the interior of the building. Since our local convention center is owned by the County, the county sheriff handles security and enforces the contract rather than a private security company.

    It is quite possible that your deputy was just doing his job enforcing the convention center's contract. Maybe it had nothing to do with state or federal law. Also, maybe we should give some slack to the deputy who followed you. None of this was his fault, and he cannot refuse to do his job or he gets fired.
     
  13. Kitchen_Duty

    Kitchen_Duty Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2007
    Messages:
    323
    Location:
    Seattle, Washington
    Without quoting any reference, "that don't sound right". I don't think they can totally stop you making a transaction unless the transaction is on private property. So... gun trades on the street?

    Yeah I would have asked for a quote of the law they were enforcing and then ask what their name/badge number was. I like the police when they are doing their job but not when they are not.

    -Kitchen
     
    Last edited: Apr 28, 2008
  14. blkbrd666

    blkbrd666 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2008
    Messages:
    1,301
    Location:
    Georgia
    Was that the Norcross show? Could have driven across the street and made the sale. I like the carrying of the stuff though..."Protect and Serve"...did you feel safe? At least you had a loaded weapon handy in case it was needed.
     
  15. Atla

    Atla Member

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2008
    Messages:
    290
    TWO HOURS?

    That's it? Man - I'd spend most of the day there. It takes a while to look and handle most of the guns, go through the books, etc.

    Than you have to check out the girlfriends the other guys brought to see if you can snag one.
     
  16. mgregg85

    mgregg85 Member

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2007
    Messages:
    2,008
    Location:
    Midland, MI
    Nice job man, way to tell him like it is.

    Don't ever be afraid to tell any public official how it really is if you know you are in the right. It must be done and the guy deserved it.

    Next time call the NRA right in front of him and make a complaint. Ask them for the state AG's number and try calling him if available.

    Never be afraid to do whats right. Never be afraid to exercise your rights.
     
  17. axeman_g

    axeman_g Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2003
    Messages:
    1,153
    Location:
    South Jersey
    Norcross... The Civic Center there frowns on deals outside of dealer tables. I sold a pistol there last year down the street, I had it with me but consumated the deal elsewhere.

    It sort of the house rules. Still it is usually a good show.

    Was Rifleman from Macon there? He is a good guy, a blind gun dealer that know his stuff and does good business. How about Pete from Hit&Run... he has the table with some Bren Guns on it, usually up front near doors.

    I miss those good shows...
     
  18. markk

    markk Member

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2007
    Messages:
    490
    Location:
    NE Florida
    Maybe there were Anti's outside trying to document the terrible "gun-show loophole" and the Sheriff was just trying to prevent Billy Joe and Bubba from being on the 5 o'clock news for selling dangerous assault weapons of mass destruction out in the parking lot...
     
  19. JohnBT

    JohnBT Member

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2002
    Messages:
    13,233
    Location:
    Richmond, Virginia
    ""All transactions are to be held inside the building only!" "

    They rented the building and the parking lot, so their rules. No big deal. If the city made the rule, well, it's their property to manage as they see fit. I don't see what the problem is.

    John
     
  20. ravencon

    ravencon Member

    Joined:
    May 5, 2005
    Messages:
    670
    It is NOT the job of LE to enforce private contracts. Using the color of authority to do so is an abuse of power and they should be sanctioned for doing so.
     
  21. Rosstradamus

    Rosstradamus Member

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2004
    Messages:
    159
    Location:
    Big D
    Like when the New Orleans cops went house-to-house confiscating legally owned firearms after Katrina? I hope you're this sympathetic and understanding when they come after you.
     
  22. Atticus

    Atticus Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    2,794
    Location:
    Ohio
    I'm not trying to be a smart a#$...but the main reason is that the show promoter and dealers are not there to provide you with a convenient opportunity and location to buy/sell your guns to/from other people. It is a business venture. I assume there was a cover charge? Would you pay that and buy a corn dog if you never had to go in the door? Secondly, from a legal perspective, they are trying to discourage 'door sharks' (back-door dealers) from running a business on their dime.
     
  23. WayneConrad

    WayneConrad Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2005
    Messages:
    2,128
    Location:
    Phoenix, AZ
    They solve the problem here in Phoenix by charging you a hefty fee for parking. They don't care if you do your business in the parking lot, because they already got a piece of you.

    Smart fellas, these free market types.
     
  24. buck00

    buck00 Member

    Joined:
    May 10, 2005
    Messages:
    1,078
    Location:
    Lower Silesia, PA
    That is pretty bad. Sounds like someone didn't like you questioning them, and wanted to punish you for it. Yup, badge numbers would have been in order here. Some LEOs are tough guys until you get their badge number. ;)
     
  25. Nugilum

    Nugilum Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2007
    Messages:
    1,003
    Location:
    Texas Panhandle
    All the deputy had to say was "Company Rules" or "Contract Rules" and I would have understood. Instead I got nothing but the look of "Did You Just Question MY AUTHORITY!?" :scrutiny:

    I know not all LEOs are this way. Only a small percent are jerks.

    I was too annoyed with the situation to take names and badges. Like I said, it never crossed my mind. They were not going to ruin my fun time. Besides, once I determined the detective wasn't going talk to me, I decided to ignore him. I was careful with my conduct, and a few vendors looked at me a little funny, but as the saying goes, "Life Goes On".

    I got home three hours later and got bust building my AR from scratch! :D It looks and functions beautifully! :evil:
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page