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Prohibiting weapons at Ren Faire

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Drizzt, Dec 5, 2003.

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  1. Drizzt

    Drizzt Member

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    I have recently started hearing word that there is a movement afoot to ban re-enactors from carrying any period weapons at the Renaissance Faire. No swords, spears, mace, dirks, daggers, etc. They are saying that use of TX statute is what will allow this change after almost 30 years…

    § 46.02. Unlawful Carrying Weapons

    (a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his person a handgun, illegal knife, or club.

    (b) Except as provided by Subsection (c), an offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor.

    (c) An offense under this section is a felony of the third degree if the offense is committed on any premises licensed or issued a permit by this state for the sale of alcoholic beverages.

    They have always been pretty good about making sure everyone keeps their weapons safe. Swords must be sheathed, etc…

    I don’t know that I have ever heard any reports of anyone seriously injured through negligence or horseplay at Ren Fair due to period weapons.

    Why can’t these meddlers just let people enjoy themselves and have fun, as long as nobody is getting hurt? Or, at least as long as nobody gets hurt unwillingly? ;)
     
  2. Jim March

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    Ohhh for God's sake...

    Sigh. Years ago I had a ton of friends into the RenFaire scene out here in California. And yes, people packed all kindsa nasty pointy stuff, that was all part of the fun. *Nobody* ever got hurt, with the exception of the professional stunt troop playing at jousting when they got knocked off of horses :rolleyes:.

    Yes, swords were supposed to be peace-knotted (tied down into the sheath)...wink wink nod. Everybody and I mean *everybody* knew how to either tie a fake peace knot, set up a quick release or they'd have a Spyderco or something set up in a left pocket for quick string-cutting and draw. If a crazed pit-bull or something got loose in there, the number of swords that'd be out in seconds would be just hilarious and wow would that doggie be dead in a hurry.

    So far as I'm aware, there has *never* been a sword/knife/spear/whatever attack at a RenFaire.
     
  3. Zak Smith

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    This reminds me of the trip Sasha and I took to the RennFaire in Larkspur, CO this last summer. We have no "30.06" provision, so I carried my BHP IWB as usual under a short-sleeve button t-shirt.

    Just after we enter, a "jester" initiates the following exchange, paraphrased:

    Jester: You, sir, where is your sword? Do you have no sword with which to defend your lady? [gestures at Sasha]

    Zak: It's in my pants.

    Jester: [sputtering] Ah ha, a funny man...

    Zak & Sasha: [proceed past sputtering jester]

    -z
     
  4. El Tejon

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    If there is an Achilles heel of the Tejas reformed CHL law, it is this provision. All it would take is one anti DA down there to prosecute CHL holders under this statute.

    Here's hoping with the new awareness that re-enactors and martial artists may have that this statute goes the way of Ma Richards.:cool:
     
  5. rock jock

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    Last time I went was about six years ago. Lots of guys were walking around with seven-foot broadswords unsheathed. However, the only thing I saw there that really scared me were the tattooed 40-ish biker babes with chain-mail tops and no underthings. Ugghh!
     
  6. bogie

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    I once saw a guy attempt to hold up a bar with a butcher knife.

    On Darts League night.

    That was just plain ugly. You throw a dart hard enough, you can't just pull it out.
     
  7. MrAcheson

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    Your renfaires are just starting this? Ours have been doing it for a while. No swords. No guns. Its annoying but oh well thats why they don't get my business anymore.
     
  8. Harry Tuttle

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    isn't a "Ren Faire" a private theater event that you pay admission to attend?
     
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    I went to the Renfair in houston in 2001 there were folks with crossbows
    black powders, and every type of pointy thing imaginable.

    They also had crossbow shooting galleries.

    No one ever got hurt.
     
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    I have heard of only one time when someone was hurt at a renfaire and it involved weapons. After a demonstration of Japanese sword arts some idiot in the crowd tried to grab the demonstrator's sword out of it's sheath and got a broken arm for his trouble. The cops just shook their heads chuckled.

    [curmudgen]Seems like a really stupid idea to me, but I am don't really care about the children that much as long as they stay off my lawn.[/curmudgen]
     
  11. rayra

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    Similar idiocy at a ComicCon convention in San Diego last year - all manner of folks walking around in their favorite costumes, said costumes including several types of pointy objects.
    Fake or real, the pointy objects were 'Peace Bonded' to the carrier - this included some 6'-7' staffs that were tied to the bearers waist-belt, making them likely to trip.

    And what was on display at this Convention amongst the comics and pop culture toys - a couple vendors, armorers, blacksmiths, with tables groaning under the weight of loose sharp steel - broadswords, gladius', maces, axes.
    The idiotic irony was too much.
     
  12. Mike Irwin

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    Hey, does anyone know what kind of holster works best with a Bec de Corbin?
     
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    My experience with Renfaire is the same as Jim's, being the same one. Lots of pointy things and yet, strangely, no mishaps. Reminds me of CCW laws...
     
  15. Chris Rhines

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    A RenFaire without sharp pointy stuff is just somehow wrong...

    - Chris
     
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    The pinko liberal maggots in MD have already done this!

    No toys there. Just doesn't seem right.

    I'm amazed that it would happen in Texas though:scrutiny:

    I thought that might be one of the last places that they haven't f:cuss: up yet.

    No place is safe.

    Sad:banghead:
     
  17. Mike Irwin

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    "A RenFaire without sharp pointy stuff is just somehow wrong..."

    Face it, RenFairs are just wrong! :)
     
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    I go to the TRF (Conroe) & Scarborough (Waxahachie), but usually have too much mead to trust myself with anything real sharp. :)
     
  19. MacPelto

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    This really would be a travesty, but in response, I would say to read the penal code further. Non-relevent sections omitted for brevity

    http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/statutes/pe/pe0004600.html#pe016.46.15

    § 46.15. Nonapplicability

    (b) Section 46.02 does not apply to a person who:

    (6) is carrying a concealed handgun and a valid license issued under Article 4413(29ee), Revised Statutes, to carry a concealed handgun of the same category as the handgun the person is carrying;

    AND

    (e) The provisions of Section 46.02 prohibiting the carrying of an illegal knife do not apply to an individual carrying a bowie knife or a sword used in a historical demonstration or in a ceremony in which the knife or sword is significant to the performance of the ceremony.

    So, I would say that it depends on whether a 'Ren-faire' actually counts as historical or not.
     
  20. Art Eatman

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    Sounds more like the Ren-faire organizers don't want swords, rather than the law. It's on private property, and is a form of re-enactment. Those in direct control of the property have the say-so as to what weaponry is or is not legal. At least that's what Texas law has always said, or is how it has been interpreted...

    Art
     
  21. Coronach

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    DING!

    Sounds like the RenFaire Fop-in-Chief has decided that the liability is too much (think insurance here, people), and is trying to cite this portion of Texas law as a reason to disallow swords, as opposed to just saying "we're a bunch of namby-pamby nitwits who are are beholden to our candyarsed financial backers and so you can't have a sword here because it scares the lawyers."

    Sounds like the SCA-types could make a killing if they got up the scratch to do a RenFaire with some cojones.

    Mike
     
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    "Sounds like the SCA-types could make a killing if they got up the scratch to do a RenFaire with some cojones."

    Except that, IMO [and I could be wrong, as everyone keeps trying to tell me, but there you go again...] SCA seems to have been taken over by the same breed of liability freaked nits that are running the renfests. You can't attend events unless you're a [paid up] member, let alone fight. There have been a number of groups founded that are very similar to the SCA. Or more specifically the SCA of old. If you can rustle up any kind of armor and a weapon that won't do any real damage you can go out there and whale on your friends. Not as cool and period but a helluva lot more fun. Which was the bloody point, wasn't it? [totally unintentional pun there, I swear]


    zastros

    BTW the Renfest in Bonner Springs, KS has been no-weapon, except for performers, for years.
     
  23. Drizzt

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    It's not the Ren Faire organizers that are doing this, though... it's the local LEOs!
     
  24. MacPelto

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    Print out a paper copy of the statutes and carry it with you. I would think that if you're dressed as a17th c. fop or some such, it would be obvious that you are involved in 'historical demonstration'. Now, if you're one of those chainmail biker/barbarian types for which there is no record, you'll have a harder time arguing, and might be up the creek.
     
  25. Coronach

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    Howso? Who is the 'they' in your original post? I took it to mean the renfaire organizers, but if you mean someone else...who?

    Mike
     
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