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Project: bullseye beretta 9x pistol.

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by scythefwd, Jul 25, 2012.

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  1. scythefwd

    scythefwd Member

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    Here is the plan:
    1. Get a beretta 9x series frame obtained beretta 96D
    2. Get a slab sided slide 96D
    3. Get a 9mm barrel - sourced, need monies so I can do the deal right
    4. Install a D mainspring came in the 96d
    5. Install a wolf 16 lb recoil spring
    6. Install Steel guide rod lucked out, older models had em
    7. install wolf trigger return spring assembly
    8. install a WAL barrel bushing, or something of the sort
    includes threading barrel
    9. install adjustable rear sight
    10. install better front sight
    includes milling slide for dovetail
    11. improve slide to frame fit
    may include extensive frame modifications and custom fabrication
    12. perform trigger job if needed, requirement 3-3.5 lb SA trigger
    may include conversion to DA/SA from DAO Conversion done
    13. install frame safety (yes, the exist)left side of frame easiest place to do
    14. install better grips or grip panels Hogue wrap arounds installed
    15. ceracoat to make pretty



    ok folks.. other suggestions, or ways to do this are greatly appreciated.

    For those who dont know what a WAL barrel bushing is

    The 92 series barrels rest "loosely" in the end of the slide. A WAL bushing threads onto the barrel and is tapered at the back in to center the barrel in the slide, making a tighter fit. It must be removed to take the barrel out. It basically makes sure the barrel is resting the exact same every time.. much like the function of the 1911 bushing (besides holding in the spring and allowing for disassembly of the slide)
     
  2. SharpsDressedMan

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    Sounds like a cool project. Here is a pic of a typical 92FS 25 yard group; pistol unmodified except for a trigger job. Good luck with your pistol. The groups should come in at half, or better! [​IMG][/IMG]
     
  3. scythefwd

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    With the factory barrel I've aquired.. I'm doubting that.. With me behind the trigger.. double that.
     
  4. 9mmepiphany

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    So something like a Tony Kidd custom Beretta that took all the military records from the 1911...except you want the frame mounded safety from the Combat model

    2vmtyr8.jpg
     
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    Not anymore...there is more money in 10/22 work
     
  7. scythefwd

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    9mm, pretty much, since the 96D has no safety right now.. and it's SA is way too light to not have one. There's a guy on the berettaforum.net that is actually retrofitting frames with safeties.. though I have a couple ideas of my own.
     
  8. Jim Watson

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    Interesting.
    I have been trying to tempt Bruce Gray into developing a proper frame mounted thumb safety for Sig-Sauer with no results. (No, I don't want a P220 SAO and I don't want to pay for an X-Five. I have a very nice GGI P226 that would be even nicer with a safety.)
     
  9. scythefwd

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    Jim.. it appears that for the frame safety to be mounted in the beretta, you end up replacing the hammer retention pin, beveling the hole, and cutting a slot to the top of the frame on one side.. Not familiar with the internal mods required.
     
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    He won't because he doesn't see it as offering any improvement in shooting...after all, he took a DA/SA to Bianchi Cup and never drop a first shot from the holster
     
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    Guns and Ammo did something similar about a year or two ago. I don't think they went quite in depth as you are, but it was still fun seeing long range hits out of a 92FS.

    Good luck.
     
  13. scythefwd

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    I'm backpedaling on the frame safety.. This gun is already a range toy, I see no reason to add the safety.. and it'll save huge costs and will be one less thing to deal with.

    Same with the slide to frame fitment. The sights are fixed to the slide, so as long as the barrel/slide lockup is good and tight (reason for the bushing), and consistent.. slide to frame should matter little. Also, it's hard as all hell to do on an aluminium alloy frame like the 96D I already have. If I had a steel framed 92 with a frame safety already.. I'd be in heaven.

    gunnuttery - got a link? I'd be interested in seeing what they did as well. Might change the way I go about things. I should be getting the 9mm barrel in oct.. getting it threaded in January, and having the thread protector/bushing manufactured in February or March.. just got to marshal my play funds right.
     
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    You might do a search on the US Army Marksmanship Unit's Berettas, which their gunsmiths worked over some years back. They got them shooting pretty nicely.

    I've read a couple of articles on what they did to get top performance, but couldn't hzard a guess of where to look now for those articles...

    One of those gunsmiths was David Sams, and he's now a civilian gunsmith. A search on his guns and techniques might help.
     
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    Be aware that one of the problems is cracking the front sight bridge when you install a front bushing...and that is before even weakening it by cutting it for a dovetailed front sight base
     
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    Thanks for the heads up. All of the bushings I see look like they would impact the slide upon returning to battery (well, technically the slide would impact it).

    I'm planning on doing it a little differently. I plan on the bushing NOT touch the slide face so much as take upthe extra room in the hole. Basically, I'm threading the barrel, and my thread protector will be a sleve that is .001 smaller than the ID measurement of the slide opening. I might make it .005 smaller, just to give it less wiggle room. That close of a fit shouldn't cause any extra stress on the slide. I might have it taper from .009 too small to .003 too small, so there is even a little slop on the travel back. The sleve/thread protector will extend back far enough to actually have the slide riding it the whole cycle instead of running up the ramp onto the bushing ever time..

    I've got a friend that does machining all the time.. so I just have to see if I can get it made of stainless. I still don't have a clue as to its outer diameter yet, as I havent mic'd my barrel or the barrel opening.

    I found someone who does the frame rail inserts.. so that might be back on the table.. maybe not... which ever way the wind blows you know.


    Walt .. these articles that I've found are what I'm basing the upgrades on. And Sam, the guy you mentioned.. is who I found still doing the frame rail inserts.. I won't be doing a match barrel, but just about everything else is in the works.
     
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    Sound like that might work...you'll be helped by the barrel not having to drop as it unlocks
     
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    9mm, exactly. Sam, of samscustomguns.com or whatever it is listed above.. he's only a couple hours away from me!! No need to mail, just drop it off!

    He's going to price out what the rails would run me.. might as well have one of the original guys who did it do mine. He didn't know how to price it though, he has never had anyone request just the rails...

    Guess I'm an oddball. He also uses some setscrews in the action or slide to snug up the barrel.. I'm using a bushing sleeve and a heavier spring to attempt the same. His way is most likely superior.. or he wouldn't have continued doing it.
     
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    I don't understand why, after going to the trouble to do all that other work, you're not going to a match grade barrel, too? (Maybe the barrel is OK, as is?)

    Did the USAMU unit keep stock barrels?
     
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    No they didn't. They used over sized custom gunsmith fit barrels
     
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    I may upgrade later... But the stock barrel for 80 bux was hard to pass up. And it may accomplish my goals. If not... I can always upgrade.

    Besides..this is as much about what is necessary for accuracy, and what isnt. Some things will suprise me, others will tirn out to be not nearly as important as people think.

    385 was the quote cor the rails.
     
  22. Jim Watson

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    I bet he does a lot of gunsmithing work that he does not feel a need for on his own guns.
    It's a business.
    I can only conclude that it would either be more work than he thinks he could get paid for or that it is effectively impossible, calling for drilling a hole in a piece of metal that is not there.
     
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    Wouldn't it just be cheaper tp buy something like the Sig X5 and be done with it?
     
  24. rem1858

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    Is your intention to shoot Bullseye with it for the center fire match or to shoot the CMP EIC matches or both ?

    Either way, you are putting the cart before the horse with installing a stock barrel.

    The stock barrel can shoot okay at 25rds, but WILL NOT group at 50yds.

    Answer the first question and we can go from there.

    Clarence
     
  25. scythefwd

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    Browning.. you can buy accuracy, or you can build it up. One is spending money, the other is a total education on your firearm.

    rem. Neither I want a gun capable of it. Interesting.. I've seen stock barrels capable of grouping with match barrels. Lets not throw the baby out with the bath water... Try it and see what we can wring out of the gun before we decide what cant be done.
     
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