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"Proof that an Arsenal AK is NOT combat ready"

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by depradio, Jul 11, 2010.

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  1. depradio

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    I wanted to post this to see how you guys would respond. Especially Arsenal owners, because your experience can effectively confirm or disprove what this guy is saying..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riIXDi0RAcI

    He was not happy with the way it performed, and he has separate videos where he tries to fit parts from other AK's inside his SGL, and they wouldn't fit. If all this were true, how would the Arsenal AK's be 'mil-spec' and deserve the reputation they attained? Especially with all the nutnfancy videos that have been uploaded lately.

    This was the video I saw, and it personally had me reconsider whether I still want an Arsenal. :(
     
  2. jwsturr

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    I wasn't aware that Arsenal was selling anyone a 'combat rifle.'
     
  4. depradio

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    They advertise a Russian 'mil-spec' gun. Sounds pretty combat rifle to me!
     
  5. Zack

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    Untill I see the switch for full auto then I will believe this..

    BTW Use wood grips, plastic melts. I do not think in the desert they use plastic grips!
     
  6. fireman 9731

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    With 350 rounds in 10 minutes what does he expect? To not melt plastic? Heck, wood grips wouldn't fare well either!
     
  7. sv51macross

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    I've heard of cheapo AR handguards melting, but the 'real' ones (Colt, Bushie, ect) standing-up to snuff. Perhaps Arsenal's handguards were IM'ed with cheap poly? Or does the SGL come with Bulgarian furniture?
     
  8. Ohio Gun Guy

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    If thats not pre-1985(?) how is that legal? How long has arsenal been around?

    (Not saying it shouldn't be, but just asking?)
     
  9. Ian

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    His only complaint (which he spends 9 minutes repeating) is that 300 and some rounds basically as fast as he could fire them caused some deformation in the handguards. Well, no surprise - it's a standard rifle, not a light machine gun. You can damage any firearm by dumping ammo through it too fast. That's not a fault of the manufacturer, it's basic physics. The heat has to go somewhere.

    I watched some of his other videos, and a few points:

    Torx screws are much better for tight screws; less likelihood of stripping the screw.

    He holds Romanian guns as the manufacturing standard, and considers it a failure when the current-production Russian gun (an SGL21 is a Saiga) doesn't have exactly the same clearances. Well, guess what - AKs were not that standard. They were made in a dozen different countries over 60 years, and no serious attempt was made to have them all interchange parts. Anyone who has build AKs from mismatched parts knows that some hand fitting will be required. This guy is holding the rifle to a standard it was never intended for.

    I'm no Arsenal fanboy (don't own one, don't have the urge to), but this dude is being unfair and doesn't seem to know what he's talking about.
     
  10. atomd

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    Ok...so it's cheap plastic furniture on a relatively inexpensive gun and it melted around the edges but didn't really effect it's overall performance. This guy is kind of odd. Did he gun malfunction? I doubt it did because I'm sure he would have said so if it did.

    This is the equivalent of saying "I drove my toyota corolla at 130mph for an hour straight and my air conditioning didn't work so well after that". My verdict on that says that Arsenal should put some better furniture on those guns (it looks sort of cheesy to begin with) but overall I think most people would be happy with their product.
     
  11. Broken11b

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    I think he did say he had a malfunction... after he threw sand in the action.

    So he fired it until he melted his handguards and had an operator induced malfunction, and than says its no good for real use...
     
  12. Shear_stress

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    Oh my god! Romanian parts don't fit on a Russian gun! What were the Russians thinking!!!

    I'm sure that rifle doesn't hold up next to the scores of actual, "combat ready" AK-103s he's handled as part of his role as the internet's foremost weapons expert ;)
     
  13. Dimis

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    maybe im mistaken but dont all AKs have a heat issue in the handgaurd unless they have that aluminum heat shield between barrel/gastube and the handgaurds?

    i recall reading that if you continualy dump mags through an AK with wood furniture you can burn or even (EEK!!!) set fire to the forward handgaurd

    i may be wrong but id want to install a heat shield or buffering material in there no matter what brand it was
     
  14. -v-

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    Umm....so what? Yes the cheap plastic hand guards that Arsenal puts on their guns as part of 922(r) are not quite mill-spec heat resistant. So if you dump 12 mags through it in rapid succession you will heat your AK up to the point where it is uncomfortable to hold, and the cheap non mill-spec plastic hand guards will begin to bubble a tiny bit.....biiig surprise there, I know.

    About the only legitimate concern is that the paint-on finish on the barrel begins to run after the barrel heats up to very high temperatures. I think thats a legitimate concern. Good thing there's a phosphate finish under the water-repelling paint!

    -e-: This is coming from an Arsenal SGL-21 owner, btw.
     
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  15. Ithaca37

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    Damn, you better tell the polish they are doing it all wrong.

    polish_beryl_rifle_eotech1.jpg
     
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    They are doing it wrong! Duck-taping flash-lights and MILES gear to their guns?! Can we say ghetto-fabulous? :p
     
  17. Ithaca37

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    From the video poster on youtube.

    in response to being told he should get an AR.

    This guy is so full of it.

    Also, the melting he shows is not really significant. His whole premise is stupid and uninformed.
     
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  18. Ithaca37

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    Ummm, you can go ahead and tell them that. Let me know how it goes.

    BTW, I have seen our guys mount miles systems in all manners of configurations including tape.
     
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    do you think the Polls would get mad if they dumped a few mags and the tape started to melt?
     
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    Guy in the video is a moron, like other people have said. Don't see much else to this story.

    Though it would have been funny if at one point in the video we heard his mom knocking on the basement door to tell him dinner was ready . . .
     
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  21. atomd

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    Don't worry, that's "combat ready" tape. :D
     
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    I believe the term is "field-expedient" :)
     
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    I can't imagine a scenario short of your FB being overrun when you would fire 350 rounds in 10 minutes in combat. If you were on patrol you would have just shot off almost all your ammo.

    Even with a real M4A1, you don't want to fire much faster than 60 round a min when you're doing sustained fire. I think that's right about the max sustainable fire rate of the M4; I've hung out around 30 to 40 rounds a min for sustained fire on a range and didn't overheat the rifle. But then again, I had aluminum rail handguards.
     
  25. Hatterasguy

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    Someone needs to explain to this kid that in the real world unlike an airsoft gun, or in COD guns get hot when you shoot them!:rolleyes:


    Yeah 300 rounds down the barrel as fast as you can shoot will melt the grips, probably burn up wooden ones too. Its not a light machine gun. OTOH melted grips don't affect the function in the least.
     
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