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Proposed Rules May Shut Down All Illinois Gun Dealers

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  1. ChanceMcCall

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    The Illinois state Joint Committee on Administrative Rules is in the process of imposing an additional, onerous layer of state licensing on federally licensed firearm dealers (Senate Bill 337). The proposed rules could potentially strangle your local gun stores with government red tape. Public comments against such oppression are due by October 7th.

    While the purported intent of this law was to enhance “responsible business practices,” its true intention is to shut down as many federally licensed firearm dealers (FFLs) as possible. The federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) already licenses and closely monitors all FFLs, while strictly enforcing any violation of federal law. SB 337 is not only unnecessary, but it expands mandatory regulations and red tape in order to force the closure of most firearm dealers (and prevent prospective owners from opening new ones).

    For example, the proposed rules would require licensed firearm dealers to install security systems rivaling those of most FDIC-insured banks and casinos. Another particularly expensive proposal would require the installation of license plate-reading cameras in parking lots 24 hours a day, seven days a week. That would not only require each dealer, regardless of how small the business, to purchase and install expensive high definition cameras complete with night vision or strong lighting. Expensive storage for the video data would be required as well, assuming such bandwidth is even available within our smaller communities.

    After stoking hostility to the Second Amendment among larger national retailers, these same politicians are now hoping to shutter the smaller, independently owned businesses within our local community. By forcing local gun shops to collapse under the weight of government red tape, Senate Bill 337 would ultimately put commonly used firearms and ammunition out of reach for many law-abiding citizens, especially in rural areas.

    Please contact the committee and tell them enough is enough. Do not let them curb your freedoms by putting your local gun stores out of business.

    It is important to know that all they are allowed to consider as a reason for rejecting these rules is the impact it would have on small business. They cannot consider 2nd Amendment issues as a basis for rejecting these rules.

    Joint Committee on Administrative Rules:

    Co-Chairman Sen. Don Harmon 217-782-8176
    Co-Chairman Rep. Keith Wheeler 217-782-1486
    Sen. Kimberly Lightford 217-782-8505
    Sen. Tony Munoz 217-782-9415
    Sen. Sue Rezin 217-782-3840
    Sen. Paul Schimpf 217-782-8137 (pro gun)
    Sen. Chuck Weaver 217-782-1942 (pro gun)
    Rep. Tom Demmer 217-782-0535 (pro gun)
    Rep. Mike Halpin 217-782-3835
    Rep. Frances Ann Hurley 217-782-8200
    Rep. Steven Reick 217-782-1717
    Rep. Andre Thapedi 217-782-1702

    Please bear in mind that several of the JCAR members are on our side, but it takes a majority vote to reject the rules that were written by the Illinois State Police at the direction of the Governor.

    To the best of my knowledge, the only pro gun organization to have filed a protest with JCAR is Guns Save Lives. The deadline to do so is 4 PM Friday.

    The guy accepting commentary on the proposed rules:

    ISP Firearm Services Chief Legal Counsel Matthew Rentschler
    Department of State Police
    801 S. Seventh St., Suite 1000-S
    Springfield, IL 62703
     
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    Is Springfield Armory supporting the Bill again?
     
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    My first thought as well. Perhaps they will just get an exemption for themselves in exchange for not opposing the bill.
    Now comes the fan boy posts saying it never happened, and offering excuses and denials from Springfield as proof.
     
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  5. ChanceMcCall

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    No.
     
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  8. Fine Figure of a Man

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    Illinois is a fine state that has a malignant tumor called Chicago.
     
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  10. ChanceMcCall

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    When a Bill is signed into law, the agency charged with enforcing or regulating from it must first write Rules that govern the method of regulating or enforcing. Those proposed Rules are then submitted to a Committee made up of an equal number of Republicans and Democrats chosen by party leadership to sit on that committee so that the committee can determine:

    if the rules are in keeping with the actual statue;
    if the rules are cost feasible and/or effective on the government itself;
    a variety of other issues that vary from state to state and federal government.

    In Illinois one of those mandated issues would be the effect on smaller businesses which these rules certainly collide with.

    Once the Rule is approved (each state has a different process) by the committee, it becomes codified and the agency can start on written regulations, and written policies and procedures.

    These things are suppose to be done prior to a law going into effect if the change is minor. The creation of a new license category certainly should not been allowed until all of this was done but the Law set a mandatory start date, that ISP could not meet so the dealers have been faced with making a decision of staying in business or going out of business without knowing what the Rules, regulations, and policies and procedures were going to be.

    About 1/2 of the federally licensed dealers chose to quit selling firearms and/or go out of business when the license due date approached, based on what was known. These rules go far beyond what was expected at the time.
     
  11. Dfwkid

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    Oyvey! More tom foolery from putative do-gooders who espouse useless ( and costly ) rules/regulations. Most burglars steal a vehicle and they wear masks/hoodies.So no matter the high resolution of an expensive camera you still can't identify them. These proposed rules will only hurt the little guy.
     
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    Illinois is terrible for 2a rights. To be honest i can't keep track of the laws city to city around here. If i'm headed into cook co. (Crook county) i bring my 6 shot 380 and pray the law doesn't find sonething wrong with that and i don't actually need it - although its practically murder capital of the US.
    I know several gun stores that would be gone under this legislation. Luckily for me im 10 minutes from the wisconsin border i can always buy up there and ship to whatever ffl remains . Horrible. About 18 years until i can move.
     
  13. ilbob

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    The law actually is enforced fairly evenly even in Chicago, WRT to self defense and handgun carry. The carry law preempted any new local laws on firearms, and there really are not all that many localities with truly evil laws against firearms ownership. It is not good but it is better than say NJ, MD, MA, or NYC. maybe even CA.
     
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    Thanks.
    Not to derail thread but do you know if mag capacity restriction is still in place fot city of chicago? Never have gotten a straight answer on that, can't wade through the legal wording myself with any degree of confidence.
     
  15. jaysouth

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    Our chamber of commerce says that approx 100 people move to Nashville every day. Half from ILL looking for cheap housing, jobs, and no income tax. Most are the chicago folks who we do not need. There must be a way to keep anyone north of Springfield from moving here.
     
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    Good luck.
    My mother moved to east tn about 13 years ago from chicago area. Yeah, she is an ultra super liberal democrat with zero grip on reality. While she does want to return to illinois she wont because of the taxes (put in place by people who believes as she does) . I lived in tn from early 2005 to end of 2006 and loved the people and freedom but was forced to move back to illinois because i couldnt make a living. Point is most people in illinois are just like everyone else, the city of chicago is the exception - its over run by criminals and lunatics.
     
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    Obturation as we have talked, I too am a former Illinois resident that left the state early in 1980 and have no interest in ever going back. I finally got tired of the Chicago/Crook County politics in fringing their politics on Us to the North of the city. 1st was the Metra system and gasoline tax to support it and then came the Chain-o-Lakes Water Management System with new Stamps and taxes. It never ends.

    So now Wisconsin is trying hard to pass new Gun Laws along with RED FLAG Laws which I oppose at all cost. I keep trying to keep a letter writing initiative going within the state to try and keep us from becoming Illinois with all their gun laws.
     
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