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Pros and Cons about Glock

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by PinnedAndRecessed, Feb 28, 2006.

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  1. PinnedAndRecessed

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    My current semi-autos include 1911s and a Sig 220. 45s of course.

    I currently do not have a 9mm among my handguns and am thinking about concealed carry. I've never owned a Glock and would like any information I can receive.

    I reload, and have heard somewhere that you can't shoot reloads. Or is it that you can't shoot lead bullets?

    Anyway, I'm kind of a big guy (6 feet, 6 inches) so concealed carry isn't all that difficult. But I've also got fairly big hands and don't like the munchkin sized guns.

    Recommendations? Criticisms?

    And if you have a particular Glock you can recommend, what is the most I should pay?

    Thanx.
     
  2. Jubei

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    You'll get plenty of input from both sides of the fence on this one, those that love Glocks, and those that despise them. I own a few of them, and while they aren't the prettiest guns in my collection (actually far from it), they are reliable to a fault.

    The Glock barrels with their polygonal rifling, do not take lead bullets. But an aftermarket barrel with button rifling would solve that problem.

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  3. 355sigfan

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    All gun companies say not to shoot reloads. With Glock 40's its not a good idea unless you get an aftermarket barrel. You can't use lead. There are some exceptions but generally don't shoot lead. You can buy an aftermarket barrel and shoot lead and reload to your hearts content. I have reloaded for 9mm, 40sw, 357 sig, 10mm and 45 glocks. The 40 is the most dangerious. It has the least case support with the stock barrel and I had a few kbs early on from overworked brass. The best bet with the 40 is to use special glock only reduced data. Laser cast has some.

    Reloading the other calibers was easy except no lead. Glocks have several advantages over other simular guns. Their very durable. A polimer frame will outlast alluminum and it equals steel. The Metal treatment(finish called tefner) is the most wear resistant and water resistant stuff out there. It can survive in the ocean for months.

    Glocks are very reliable and are very forgiving of poor maintence. I once did not clean my issue Glock 21 in a training class that lasted 3 days and we fired 1500 rounds. It did not malfunction despite being very dirty. I wanted to see how far it could go.

    Glocks are very easy to shoot. You have one trigger pull that is short and relatively light. (3.5 5 8 and 12 pound options exist) The trigger has a short reset. It makes firing the weapon at speed with accuracy very easy compared to other dao and da sa type guns. The only guns faster are 1911's.

    Glocks have a low bore axis that reduces muzzle jump making rapid accurate fire easier.

    Glocks have a large ammunition capacity for their size. With the Glock 17 with +3 extensions you can have 21 rounds in a pistol. If you like having lots of bullets Glocks are for you.

    Glocks are basically very simple, very reliabile, fairly accurate and come in about any caliber and size you could want.
    Pat
     
  4. Joe D

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    Actually one can shoot lead bullets in a Glock. Probably the oldest internet myth that just does not die. When you ask people why not, they just say I read about it on the internet. If you really want to blow their minds ask them if they have tried shooting lead bullets in their Glock. Most of the folks that spew out this nonsense do not even own a Glock. I just have to chuckle and shake my head.
    There are several Glock 9mm guns that will work. The most popular carry gun Glock makes is the G19. The G17 can also work. It has a longer butt which makes concealment a little more difficult.
     
  5. 355sigfan

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    You can shoot lead at your own risk. If you use very hard cast lead bullets and clean every 20 to 50 rounds. If you use swadged bullets can you say Ka Boom. Also Glock does say no lead. Its not internet myth.
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  6. Joe D

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    Price? Glocks retail from a low of about $439 to $500. I get mine from a police supply house for $379. If you are a big guy why not just get a G21? I love mine. I am still waiting for it to blow up. I am up to 2,500 rounds of 200 gr lead SWC without a cleaning. So far not a speck of lead in the bore.
     
  7. Joe D

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    Can't seem to find the line in my manual that says no lead bullets.
     
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    Pat, not picking on you, but have you actually tried shooting lead bullets in a Glock? My wife and I have put well over 30,000 rounds of lead bullets through our Glocks.
     
  9. grimlock

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    For me, the four main concerns when choosing a pistol for concealed carry are:
    1) Reliability
    2) Accuracy
    3) Thickness
    4) Weight

    And, for me, they apply pretty much in that order.

    Reliability is first for a reason. In my experience, Glocks have this in spades. If my life depended on choosing one factory fresh pistol, loading it without testing, and carrying it, it would be a Glock.

    Accuracy is next, because, as one of my instructors told me, every missed shot by you in a gunfight is guaranteed to hit either a child, a nun, or a widow. You do not get to choose which. A Glock won't have a trigger break as good as a 1911 or Sig 220, but combat accuracy is not an issue with training.

    Thickness effects the ease with which the pistol can be concealed at the beltline. If you asked 100 people to describe a Glock using only one word, the number of times they choose "thin" will be zero. That being said, thousands of people conceal them every day.

    Weight of the pistol is also important for comfort, but is ranked last here because a good belt and holster help a bit, as does balancing the load with spare magazines on the weak side. A Glock's frame weighs almost nothing. It actually shocked me the first time I held my 27's frame in my hand without the slide and magazine.

    These considerations don't touch issues of maintenance and durability, where the Glock also shines.

    Basically, the Glock is a durable, reliable, lightweight, high-capacity, mushy-triggered, thick pistol. Many love it. Some don't. You should probably buy one to try out. If you don't like it, I doubt you'll have trouble selling it.
     
  10. PinnedAndRecessed

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    Joe, Glock's web page doesn't list a 21. Has it been updated (i.e., a newer model number?)

    BTW, thanx to all for the speedy responses.
     
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    Pat, not picking on you, but have you actually tried shooting lead bullets in a Glock? My wife and I have put well over 30,000 rounds of lead bullets through our Glocks.

    END QUOTE

    It should be in the manual not to fire lead it was also covered in the armorers course. I have shot some laser cast lead bullets without problems. But someone could get problems if they shoot soft swaged bullets. Hence Glocks saying of to totally abstain from lead. Most factory ammo that uses lead is swaged soft lead that could cause problems with lead build up and pressure spikes. Most reloaders use cast bullets which don't deposit near as much lead.
    Pat
     
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    Not sure what happened to the G21 on the web site, but it's definately still in the Glock lineup. If you're a big guy with big hands you might be one of the few that can really take advantage of that particular gun. I had one for a while, but it was just too big for me personally, so I traded it in on a Sig 220. The 21 is a real handful, but worth it if you can handle it because of the additional ammo it carries, and being a full-sized gun, it's pretty decent in the accuracy department.
     
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    The G21 is still there, listed under .45 ACP as usual. Here's a link.
     
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    Pro: Out of the box reliability
    Con: Ugly
     
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    Pro: It is the sturmpistolen of handguns.
    Con: can't shoot lead bullets without an aftermarket barrel.
    Afterthought: If you aren't intending to play in "The Games" who cares if you can't, or at least shouldn't, shoot lead bullets through the factory barrel?
    For the money spent these are still darn good guns and I see way more factory loaded jacketed bullet cartridges available at the places where people go to buy their ammo than I do factory loaded lead bullet cartridges in the calibers that Glock offers the handguns in.
     
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    I've put 16,000 plus rounds (quit counting a couple of years ago) through my G23 without a single malfunction, and a lot of those were factory loaded lead bullets. I have nothing but praise for Glock pistols.
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    Pro: Prettier than an XD.
    Con: Uglier than a 1911.

    Neither a pro nor con: Blow-ups are not unique to any one model. Glock .45s have about the same amount of unsupported case as your average 1911. Put an overcharged round in either of them, and you'll probably get a kaboom. H&K .40 caliber guns have more unsupported case than .40 cal Glocks. Put a setback round in either, and kaboom.

    You just hear about it more with Glocks, because it seems like 90% of police departments are issuing G22s to their officers, and police usually have to load and unload their guns several times in the typical day, chambering the same two rounds over and over.
     
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    Pros: Reliable, easy to work on, replacement mags are everywhere

    Cons: Ugly, ugly, ugly, and for concealed carry is just too darn fat compared to my Kahr PM9.

    I'm not a Glock basher full-time (they make great service pistols), but when it comes to concealed carry in 9mm, there are just way better options out there IHMO. Think single stack for concealment, you'll thank me later.
     
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    Neither a pro nor con: Blow-ups are not unique to any one model.
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    False . KB's are 90% a 40sw issue not just glocks. I have been there for them. Seen them and even reloading books even address the issue with the 40 sw. There are more 9mm Glocks being used than 40's by the way. Slightly over 50% of leo's are still using 9mm with the 40's a strong second place now. More 40's are sold but they still have not caught up to the 9mms already in service.
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    Glocks do inspire pro and con fanaticism. Not in me though. I own several Glocks--they are fine, reliable tools. But they inspire no great fondness in me.

    If you like the feel of them you'll probably really like owning them since they are accurate and are very reliable, even if shamefully neglected.

    Even if you don't like how they feel in the hand (I don't), you still might like them because of their many virtues.
     
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    My only complaint on Glocks is I wish it had second strike capability.

    Other than that, they are a great gun.
     
  22. PinnedAndRecessed

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    Lennyjoe said:

    What is "second strike?"
     
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    Second Strike, I believe, is what the 24/7 has. if the bullet doesnt go off, it reverts to da.

    ive never had a need for this with my g17 though.
     
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    The pros and cons of Glock and 1911 have been beaten to death. Typically, it ends up in heated argument, to insulting people's education because of grammar or misspelling errors.
    Can you just do a search, spare some time and read up?
     
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    Why? If a round doesn't fire the first time, why on earth would you ever be inclined to stand there and try to hit it again? That sounds totally assinine and retarded.

    Rack, tap, and commence firing.
     
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