Protestors march against more secure U.S. border

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LOS ANGELES - Tens of thousands of immigrant rights advocates from across Southern California marched Saturday in protest of federal legislation that would build more walls along the U.S.-Mexico border and make helping illegal immigrants a crime.

The march followed rallies on Friday that drew throngs of protesters to major cities around the nation.

On Saturday, demonstrators streamed into downtown Los Angeles for what was expected to be one of the city's largest pro-immigrant rallies. The crowd was estimated at more than 100,000, said police Sgt. Lee Sands.

Many of the marchers wore white shirts to symbolize peace and also waved U.S. flags. Some also carried the flags of Mexico and other countries, and even wore them as capes.

Elger Aloy, 26, of Riverside, a premed student, pushed a stroller with his 8-month-old son at Saturday's Los Angeles march.

"I think it's just inhumane. ... Everybody deserves the right to a better life," Aloy said of the legislation.

The House of Representatives has passed legislation that would make it a felony to be in the U.S. illegally, impose new penalties on employers who hire illegal immigrants and erect fences along one-third of the U.S.-Mexican border. The Senate is to begin debating the proposals on Tuesday.

President Bush on Saturday called for legislation that does not force America to choose between being a welcoming society and a lawful one.

"America is a nation of immigrants, and we're also a nation of laws," Bush said in his weekly radio address about the emotional immigration issue that has driven a wedge into his party.

Bush sides with business leaders who want legislation to let some immigrants stay in the country and work for a set period of time. Others, including Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, say national security concerns should drive immigration reform.

"They say we are criminals. We are not criminals," said Salvador Hernandez, 43, of Los Angeles, a resident alien who came to the United States illegally from El Salvador 14 years ago and worked as truck driver, painter and day laborer.

Francisco Flores, 27, a wood flooring installer from Santa Clarita who is a former illegal immigrant, said, "We want to work legally, so we can pay our taxes and support the country, our country."

On Friday, thousands of people joined in rallies in cities including Los Angeles, Phoenix and Atlanta and staged school walkouts, marches and work stoppages.

The Los Angeles demonstration led to fights between black and Hispanic students at one high school, but the protests were largely peaceful, authorities said. More than 2,700 students from at least eight city high schools and middle schools poured out of classrooms to join the protest.

In one of the largest protests in city history, Phoenix police said 20,000 demonstrators marched Friday to the office of Sen. Jon Kyl (news, bio, voting record), R-Ariz., co-sponsor of a bill to step up enforcement along the U.S.-Mexico border and create a temporary guest-worker program that would require illegals to leave after five years.

Activists in Georgia said tens of thousands of workers did not show up at their jobs Friday to protest a bill passed by the state House that would deny state services to adults in the U.S. illegally and impose a 5-percent surcharge on wire transfers from illegal immigrants.
 
I was kind of wondering the same thing myself.

There has been a lot of this latley.

First the protesting about that leaky levy that they're free loading off of and now this.

Is it just me or is the grade of this down hill slide steepening just a bit?
 
Problem is not unlike the one in europe. Social welfare systems give these people the money and time to protest. Its very effective with left wing politicians too, since they think a march represents the entire electorate.

It takes alot more to get average citizens in the street simply because they would lose out on a days pay to do it.
 
Having just gone through the legal immigration and naturalization process I find I have zero tolerance for those that feel the laws here don't apply to them.
I'd be happy to see the USA have less well manicured lawns (and better built houses again) if that would be the downside for sending the illegals back.

And the protestors? A mandatory one way train ticket to Mexico City, bye!

Before I get attacked for a lack of tolerence consider this, the Central and South Americans that are living here illegally claim (amongst other things) that they don't recognise the borders that were imposed by the European settlers. Fine, except you are speaking Spanish, that's a European language and your ancestors were from Europe. Do you want it both ways? How about I go down to Costa Rica and carve up a nice piece of beach and say it's mine and I don't recognize the local laws regarding property ownership?

This country needs to make it a felony being here illegally, with instant deportation in lieu of prison time as the penalty. And all employers of illegals should get their business licenses withdrawn.

Of course I'm just overreacting though, I'm sure you'll agree when you get rear-ended by an illegal driving from job 2 to job 3 who fell asleep at the wheel and had no insurance.
 
This whole thing has NOTHING to do with tolerance or racial issues. That is just a strawman trotted out by the illegals because they are immigrating from non-english-speaking countries.

"you hate us because we're different"

No, we hate you because you are imposing hefty costs upon our society and you are introducing social and economic problems from your home country into ours. Mexico's illiterate poor should be Vincente Fox's problem, not my problem. Mexico's corrupt government has caused the economic misery of the Mexican people and it should be replaced by the Mexican people, not propped up by an influx of American cash.

I have nothing against spanish speakers, mexican culture or any south american culture. This is not about language or culture. I just dont think we should be a remedial reading class and emergency room for the third world. The problem is not cultural, it is social and economic. Two entirely separate issues.
 
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+1 beerslurpy

I think the administration has allowed things to go completely out of whack when illegal aliens would rally and try to apply political pressure in a country they are not even citizens of. Any sane, law-abiding administration would have awaited the "tens of thousands of protesters" with comfortable trucks and LEOs for immediate upload and deportation.

It just comes to show the level of "respect" this administration has for US laws.

Obviously, laws are meaningless when big money and political futures are at stake.
 
real_name, the only problem I have with immediate deportation is that another name for it might as well be 'catch and release' until we have our borders secured.

beerslurpy, I agree with you. I know a few people here legally, and the hassle they went through in order to do so. They're suffering the most from the illegals.
 
immediate deportation is that another name for it might as well be 'catch and release'

And that is why the caught should be hit with severe fines and/or imprisonment at their expense, before they are released on the other side of the border.
 
The answer to many of these problems is "geographic isolation." Catch and release on the other side of a wall or an ocean is much less problematic than when the dude can just walk back across an imaginary line and be a pain in your ass again.
 
The bottom line is there are many practical ways to solve the problem. What is lacking is the political will to do so, because of perceived/real whiplash against politicians by sympathetic contigents within the population.

The fix then is to inform your local politicritter in no uncertain terms that the borders issue and illegal aliens are tightly coupled and that he would be voted against unless he takes the appropriate action. Thankfully, my congressmen are some of the introducers of the Wall bill, so we are mostly on the same page. How about yours?
 
My answer?

1. Start march south of San Diego instead. Keep marching south.

2. Open the gate at the US-Mexico border.

3. Let marchers go through gate.

4. Close gate. :D

Seriously, aren't there a lot more pressing DOMESTIC issues that 100,000 people could be marching about? And the basic fact of the whole matter is that right now, with the combined overseas-ing of jobs and illegal immigration, we're exporting good jobs, and importing poverty.

That can't end well.
 
What pisses me off the most about the illegal alien mess is this:

Beneficiaries:
-illegals, who are better off at sub-minimum wage here than starving back home
-employers, who are saving on wages and on non-compliance with govt regs

People who get screwed:
-american workers
-the american taxpayers, who provide for the education, health care and safety of the guest workers
-the american taxpayers, who have to deal with an enormous influx of poor people

It is basically a transfer of wealth from the taxpayers to the employers. They avoid having to pay us wages and we end up paying again for the scabs that they hire in our place.

And lo and behold, republicans cant decide between the enormous mass of voters who hate footing the bill for this importation of poverty and the businesses that want to continue to ride us and crack the whip. Which is more important, votes or money?

I predict that if republican senators dont get their heads out of their rears, voters are going to seal the deal with a swift kick. These next few months are sure going to be exciting.
 
beerslurpy said:
I'm curious why the taxpayers arent protesting.
Not time. These protests are carefully orchestrated to influence what the senate committee does. I have no doubt the Great Fed-Up will demonstrate in a number of ways. Something may breakout early on but I suspect demonstrations will surface with the congressional debate goes public. Joe and Martha will most like use different techniques such as melting servers and burning out telecommunications equipment. The fact the Great Fed-Up has not made it presence known is not necessarily a Bad Thang.

I was watching a round table discussion on some network show early in the AM and listened as David Gergin (counselor-CFR) said it is early in the fight and it will get nasty. He said he hopes congress backs off until after the election. I think it will get so hot and politically charged that our elected vermin will seek cooler climates by putting a vote and decision until after the election. An added benefit is such a move will put the issue of illegal immigration squarely in the middle of an election which is precisely where it belongs.

Personally, I fully expect Bush to head back to the border for another "Come Hither" speech. "You guys south of the border better get a move on cause these crazy gringos is about to do somethin' stupid." I am still interested in the confluence of two events. US senate debates amnesty and Bush heads for a meet among the 3 Amigos on North American integration. There are no accidents in politics
 
I predict that if republican senators dont get their heads out of their rears, voters are going to seal the deal with a swift kick.

You do realize the result of a swift kick?
The lefts plan is openly disasterous. If the get in as a result of the republicans being forced out, they will open that border for cheap labor.

Once they open that gate and accept this undocumented migration, we will have a serious budget crunch trying to pay for all the services their going to demand. Either that or we declare a new underclass... that wont end well. I can already see the Democrats working feverishly to update their jim crow laws for mexicans. Mostly likely it will spur more city burning riots in 10 to 20 years time.

If we cant fix mexico cause their an "independant nation", we shouldnt be paying them hush money to continue a hoax. Seal the border, let their system crash till someone crys uncle, then go in and fix it properly.

Otherwise the only way you should get into the US is through the front door, legally. All others should get out and get in line like everyone else.

The only alternative I see is making sure that the states who choose to accept illegals get stuck with them. Seal off those states, move customs a bit north, and dont dump federal money into helping them cover their bills.
 
We're right to be afraid?

Really?

History is full of nasty ironies. Try imagining an American Saddam with a mandate to end this problem by any means necessary. Think it's impossible? Try thinking the unthinkable. Just project what you're seeing in the streets by a few years and throw in some urban violence. The Elephant's in the living room and he's got friends who want the bedrooms and the back yard. Look at other countries and see how they dealt with the kind of problem we're creating here. I know, you say America is different. No, America is not different, it's just been sleeping comfortably for the last generation.

When the American middle-class starts to really feel the economic pinch in a serious way--more job losses, mortgage defaults, no retirement plan--all bets are off.
 
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