Pulled Over: Cop Wants to Know I have CHL

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I could understand him "wanting" to know out of curiosity or something, but how would knowing you CCW help him do his job better? Weird...

Maybe he likes to just give warning to people with permits.

I think the guy just wants to go home after his shift.
 
For the poster who asked what difference it makes if it is just a simple traffic stop, all I can say is he'd better do some checking. There have probably been more LEOs killed during "simple traffic stops" than almost all other incidents combined. The two things any veteran LEO learns to take extra care on are "simple traffic stops" and domestic disturbance calls, things can get out of hand really quickly with either one.

Missouri is one of several states now where you can carry a concealed weapon in your vehicle without a CCW because it is now an extension of your home. Therefore LEOs have a perfectly legal right to ask anyone they stop if they have a weapon in the vehicle. Just think of the added pressure this puts on the officer when he/she pulls someone over for a "simple traffic stop". Just suppose the person behind the wheel has had an extremely bad day at work or something else that has really ticked them off and now they are stopped. It might be just a simple stop to tell them they have a taillight out, they aren't even going to give him/her a ticket but just let them know. Now here he/she is after having an extremely bad day, tired, stopped to have a couple of cold ones and now getting stopped by a cop. Ordinarily nothing would happen but this day is that one in a million when everything has gone wrong, the driver is not thinking straight because of the brews, etc. and reaches for the gun.

Btw, the moment I hand my DL to the LEO they are going to immediately know I might be carrying because my DL is also my CCW permit.
 
Funny, I am retired now, but the last year I actually checked my stats was 2004 and I conducted over 1100 traffic stops on Rt 4O between Baltimore and Philly.

The people who were a danger to me buy having a firearm (criminals) just never seem to tell you they are carrying. IMHO there is no need during a normal traffic stop to inform the officer you are carrying a gun. Now if for some reason you have to get out of the car and he may see your gun, I think it would be courteous to let him know. The whole letting the officer know you have a gun thing is just like gun control. It makes no difference to the criminals. Just my $.02.
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So much commonsense!:)
Do you have a fan club,mercop?
If so,I wish to become a member.
What is so difficult to understand about :"shall not be infringed?"
 
This should've been covered in your CCW course. Yes, you need to inform the LEO about your permit out of courtesy.

Why does he need to know? How will it help him?
Someone mentioned so that the officer won't be surprised when he finds out. Well, isn't that a nice surprise? It's not like hearing you have a deadly disease. It's more like hearing that you won the lottery isn't it? Who on here has a problem with pleasant surprises?
 
I figured, being california after all, you would have to get out of the car and prostrate yourself in front of the officer. Maybe even beg forgiveness?

That's funny right there. I'm a little surprised as well. Seems like California needs some law reform so that officers are able to secure in leg irons and cuffs anyone who is legally carrying a weapon.
 
It would be my luck.

No sir, I don't have any idea of why you pulled me over.

I pulled you over for "suspicion of lawful activity" and now I am convinced that I have to cite you for failing to notify me that you were conducting yourself lawfully. In fact, is there anything you have left out of our conversation that you might not have been legally bound to disclose before I arrest you?



But seriously, I don't have to disclose anything unless I get pulled over by an officer who is visually impaired to the point where he doesn't see the guns, ammo, and empty cases all over my truck.
 
I have a CCW in California, and although there is no State requirement to disclose the fact that I am carrying, my permit as issued by the Orange County Sheriff specifically requires that I inform any peace officer that I come in contact with that I have a CCW (eg:traffic stops, etc.).

For those in the "required to inform states"...do you just have to say you have a permit or that you are armed or both?

My CCW instructor, who also happens to be a cop, stated that the best way to do this is to just hand the officer your CCW permit along with your Driver's License - if you were to tell the cop, "Hey, I have a gun!", he might not respond quite the way you'd expect.

Another word of advice that he gave was that if the cop asks you to remove your CCW handgun from your person and surrender it to him, make sure that he informs his partner, who is probably standing on the other side of your car near the back bumper, because if his partner sees you pulling a handgun out and doesn't know what's going on, there's probably a good chance that he's going to light you up!
 
I can appreciate why the officer brought this up to orygunmike, but I can't agree there was any useful reason for it. He probably only mentioned it because he rarely (if he has ever) encountered a law abiding CHL licensed gun owner. It took him off guard and he turned it into a potentially stupid confrontation because of his compulsion to say something.

In all truth, however...

Unless the law expects you to notify the officer that you have a firearm on your person or in your vehicle, then keep it to yourself. Volunteering this information can be mistakenly construed as a threat. (Don't write me a ticket, because I have a gun.) If he asks why you didn't notify him, explain, "I didn't want to risk you taking it as a threat."

Now, if you are asked to exit your vehicle, YES, state that you are carrying a firearm and ask if it's still "safe to exit" the vehicle. He will want to keep a closer eye on your hands, or give you special instructions, and will be less likely to react stupidly. Cops have shot innocent civilians for "gun looking items" on their person, especially in stressful situations.

Remember: You always fit the description of some random purse snatcher or liquor store robber who recently fled the crime scene a few blocks away.
 
Here in Idaho we have to Notify (only if you are carrying).

Are you sure,Zedicus?
Handgunlaw.us says to the contrary.See:

http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/USOffLimitsA-M.pdf

Can't find anything in the relevant Idaho Statute about notifying LE.Did I miss it?See:

Idaho Statutes

TITLE 18
CRIMES AND PUNISHMENTS
CHAPTER 33
FIREARMS, EXPLOSIVES AND
OTHER DEADLY WEAPONS
18-3302. ISSUANCE OF LICENSES TO CARRY CONCEALED WEAPONS. (1) The sheriff
of a county, on behalf of the state of Idaho, shall, within ninety (90) days
after the filing of an application by any person who is not disqualified from
possessing or receiving a firearm under state or federal law, issue a license
to the person to carry a weapon concealed on his person within this state. For
licenses issued before July 1, 2006, a license shall be valid for four (4)
years from the date of issue. For licenses issued on or after July 1, 2006, a
license shall be valid for five (5) years from the date of issue. The
citizen's constitutional right to bear arms shall not be denied to him, unless
he:
(a) Is ineligible to own, possess or receive a firearm under the
provisions of state or federal law; or
(b) Is formally charged with a crime punishable by imprisonment for a
term exceeding one (1) year; or
(c) Has been adjudicated guilty in any court of a crime punishable by
imprisonment for a term exceeding one (1) year; or
(d) Is a fugitive from justice; or
(e) Is an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant,
stimulant, or narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance as defined
in 21 U.S.C. 802; or
(f) Is currently suffering or has been adjudicated as follows, based on
substantial evidence:
(i) Lacking mental capacity as defined in section 18-210, Idaho
Code; or
(ii) Mentally ill as defined in section 66-317, Idaho Code; or
(iii) Gravely disabled as defined in section 66-317, Idaho Code; or
(iv) An incapacitated person as defined in section 15-5-101(a),
Idaho Code; or
(g) Is or has been discharged from the armed forces under dishonorable
conditions; or
(h) Is or has been adjudicated guilty of or received a withheld judgment
or suspended sentence for one (1) or more crimes of violence constituting
a misdemeanor, unless three (3) years has elapsed since disposition or
pardon has occurred prior to the date on which the application is
submitted; or
(i) Has had entry of a withheld judgment for a criminal offense which
would disqualify him from obtaining a concealed weapon license; or
(j) Is an alien illegally in the United States; or
(k) Is a person who having been a citizen of the United States, has
renounced his or her citizenship; or
(l) Is under twenty-one (21) years of age; or
(m) Is free on bond or personal recognizance pending trial, appeal or
sentencing for a crime which would disqualify him from obtaining a
concealed weapon license; or
(n) Is subject to a protection order issued under chapter 63, title 39,
Idaho Code, that restrains the person from harassing, stalking or
threatening an intimate partner of the person or child of the intimate
partner or person, or engaging in other conduct that would place an
intimate partner in reasonable fear of bodily injury to the partner or
child.
The license application shall be in triplicate, in a form to be
prescribed by the director of the Idaho state police, and shall ask the
name, address, description and signature of the licensee, date of birth,
social security number, military status, and the driver's license number
or state identification card number of the licensee if used for
identification in applying for the license. The application shall indicate
that provision of the social security number is optional. The license
application shall contain a warning substantially as follows:
CAUTION: Federal law and state law on the possession of weapons and
firearms differ. If you are prohibited by federal law from possessing a
weapon or a firearm, you may be prosecuted in federal court. A state
permit is not a defense to a federal prosecution.
The sheriff shall require any person who is applying for original
issuance of a license to submit his fingerprints in addition to the other
information required in this subsection. Within five (5) days after the
filing of an application, the sheriff shall forward the application and
fingerprints to the Idaho state police for a records check of state and
national files. The Idaho state police shall conduct a national
fingerprint-based records check and return the results to the sheriff
within seventy-five (75) days. The sheriff shall not issue a license
before receiving the results of the records check and must deny a license
if the applicant is disqualified under any of the criteria listed in
paragraphs (a) through (n) of subsection (1) of this section.
The license will be in a form substantially similar to that of the
Idaho driver's license. It will bear the signature, name, address, date of
birth, picture of the licensee, expiration date and the driver's license
number or state identification card number of the licensee if used for
identification in applying for the license. Upon issuing a license under
the provisions of this section, the sheriff will notify the Idaho state
police on a form or in a manner prescribed by the state police.
Information relating to an applicant or licensee received or maintained
pursuant to this section by the sheriff or Idaho state police is
confidential and exempt from disclosure under section 9-338, Idaho Code.
(2) The fee for original issuance of a license shall be twenty dollars
($20.00) paid to the sheriff for the purpose of enforcing the provisions of
this chapter. The sheriff may collect any additional fees necessary to cover
the cost of processing fingerprints lawfully required by any state or federal
agency or department, and the cost of materials for the license lawfully
required by any state agency or department, which costs shall be paid to the
state.
(3) The fee for renewal of the license shall be fifteen dollars ($15.00).
The sheriff may collect any additional fees necessary to cover the processing
costs lawfully required by any state or federal agency or department, and the
cost of materials for the license lawfully required by any state agency or
department, which costs shall be paid to the state. If a licensee applying for
renewal has not previously been required to submit fingerprints, the sheriff
shall require the licensee to do so and may collect any additional fees
necessary to cover the cost of processing fingerprints lawfully required by
any state or federal agency or department.
(4) Every license that is not, as provided by law, suspended, revoked or
disqualified in this state shall be renewable at any time during the ninety
(90) day period before its expiration or within ninety (90) days after the
expiration date. Renewal notices shall be mailed out ninety (90) days prior to
the expiration date of the license. The sheriff shall require the licensee
applying for renewal to complete an application. The sheriff shall submit the
application to the Idaho state police for a records check of state and
national databases. The Idaho state police shall conduct the records check and
return the results to the sheriff within thirty (30) days. The sheriff shall
not issue a renewal before receiving the results of the records check and must
deny a license if the applicant is disqualified under any of the criteria
listed in subsection (1), paragraphs (a) through (n) of this section. A
renewal license shall be valid for a period of five (5) years. A license so
renewed shall take effect on the expiration date of the prior license. A
licensee renewing ninety-one (91) days or more after the expiration date of
the license shall pay a late renewal penalty of ten dollars ($10.00) in
addition to the renewal fee. The fee shall be paid to the sheriff for the
purpose of enforcing the provisions of this chapter.
(5) Notwithstanding the requirements of this section, the sheriff of the
county of the applicant's residence may issue a temporary emergency license
for good cause pending review under subsection (1) of this section.
(6) A city, county or other political subdivision of this state shall not
modify the requirements of this section, nor may a political subdivision ask
the applicant to voluntarily submit any information not required in this
section. A civil action may be brought to enjoin a wrongful refusal to issue a
license or a wrongful modification of the requirements of this section. The
civil action may be brought in the county in which the application was made or
in Ada county at the discretion of the petitioner. Any person who prevails
against a public agency in any action in the courts for a violation of
subsections (1) through (5) of this section, shall be awarded costs, including
reasonable attorney's fees incurred in connection with the legal action.
(7) Except in the person's place of abode or fixed place of business, or
on property in which the person has any ownership or leasehold interest, a
person shall not carry a concealed weapon without a license to carry a
concealed weapon. For the purposes of this section, a concealed weapon means
any dirk, dirk knife, bowie knife, dagger, pistol, revolver, or any other
deadly or dangerous weapon. The provisions of this section shall not apply to
any lawfully possessed shotgun or rifle.
(8) A county sheriff, deputy sheriff, or county employee who issues a
license to carry a concealed weapon under this section shall not incur any
civil or criminal liability as the result of the performance of his duties
under this section.
(9) While in any motor vehicle, inside the limits or confines of any
city, a person shall not carry a concealed weapon on or about his person
without a license to carry a concealed weapon. This shall not apply to any
firearm located in plain view whether it is loaded or unloaded. A firearm may
be concealed legally in a motor vehicle so long as the weapon is disassembled
or unloaded.
(10) In implementing the provisions of this section on behalf of the state
of Idaho, the sheriff shall make applications readily available at the office
of the sheriff or at other public offices in his jurisdiction.
(11) The sheriff of a county may issue a license to carry a concealed
weapon to those individuals between the ages of eighteen (18) and twenty-one
(21) years who in the judgment of the sheriff warrant the issuance of the
license to carry a concealed weapon. Such issuance shall be subject to
limitations which the issuing authority deems appropriate. Licenses issued to
individuals between the ages of eighteen (18) and twenty-one (21) years shall
be easily distinguishable from regular licenses.
(12) The requirement to secure a license to carry a concealed weapon under
this section shall not apply to the following persons:
(a) Officials of a county, city, state of Idaho, the United States, peace
officers, guards of any jail, court appointed attendants or any officer of
any express company on duty;
(b) Employees of the adjutant general and military division of the state
where military membership is a condition of employment when on duty;
(c) Criminal investigators of the attorney general's office, criminal
investigators of a prosecuting attorney's office, prosecutors and their
deputies;
(d) Any person outside the limits of or confines of any city while
engaged in lawful hunting, fishing, trapping or other lawful outdoor
activity;
(e) Any publicly elected Idaho official;
(f) Retired peace officers or detention deputies with at least ten (10)
years of service with the state or a political subdivision as a peace
officer or detention deputy and who have been certified by the peace
officer standards and training council;
(g) Any person who has a valid permit from a state or local law
enforcement agency or court authorizing him to carry a concealed weapon. A
permit issued in another state will only be considered valid if the permit
is in the licensee's physical possession.
(13) When issuing a license pursuant to this section, the sheriff may
require the applicant to demonstrate familiarity with a firearm and shall
accept any of the following, provided the applicant may select which one:
(a) Completion of any hunter education or hunter safety course approved
by the department of fish and game or a similar agency of another state;
or
(b) Completion of any national rifle association firearms safety or
training course, or any national rifle association hunter education
course; or
(c) Completion of any firearms safety or training course or class
available to the general public offered by a law enforcement agency,
community college, college, university, or private or public institution
or organization or firearms training school, utilizing instructors
certified by the national rifle association or the Idaho state police; or
(d) Completion of any law enforcement firearms safety or training course
or class offered for security guards, investigators, special deputies, or
any division or subdivision of a law enforcement agency or security
enforcement agency; or
(e) Presents evidence or equivalent experience with a firearm through
participation in organized shooting competition or military service; or
(f) Is licensed or has been licensed to carry a firearm in this state or
a county or municipality, unless the license has been revoked for cause;
or
(g) Completion of any firearms training or training or safety course or
class conducted by a state certified or national rifle association
certified firearms instructor.
(14) A person carrying a concealed weapon in violation of the provisions
of this section shall be guilty of a misdemeanor.
(15) The sheriff of the county where the license was issued or the sheriff
of the county where the person resides shall have the power to revoke a
license subsequent to a hearing in accordance with the provisions of chapter
52, title 67, Idaho Code, for any of the following reasons:
(a) Fraud or intentional misrepresentation in the obtaining of a license;
or
(b) Misuse of a license, including lending or giving a license to another
person, or duplicating a license, or using a license with the intent to
unlawfully cause harm to a person or property; or
(c) The doing of an act or existence of a condition which would have been
grounds for the denial of the license by the sheriff; or
(d) The violation of any of the terms of this section; or
(e) The applicant is adjudicated guilty of or receives a withheld
judgment for a crime which would have disqualified him from initially
receiving a license.
(16) A person twenty-one (21) years of age or older issued a license to
carry a concealed weapon is exempt from any requirement to undergo a records
check at the time of purchase or transfer of a firearm from a federally
licensed firearms dealer. However, a temporary emergency license issued under
subsection (5) of this section shall not exempt the holder of the license from
any records check requirement. Temporary emergency licenses shall be easily
distinguishable from regular licenses.
(17) The attorney general is authorized to negotiate reciprocal agreements
with other states related to the recognition of licenses to carry concealed
weapons. The Idaho state police shall keep a copy and maintain a record of all
such agreements, which shall be made available to the public.
(18) The provisions of this section are hereby declared to be severable
and if any provision of this section or the application of such provision to
any person or circumstance is declared invalid for any reason, such
declaration shall not affect the validity of remaining portions of this
section.
 
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stevemis said:
Some states require notification and some states do not. I personally always show my license, even on the rare occasion that I am not carrying and I get pulled over. I've had great experiences with the police in these situations and none have ever involved any "paperwork" (tickets). One officer even gave me a lift during a freak snowstorm when my car slid off the road and got stuck in some ice.

Of course, if the local agencies were generally anti, I'd probably feel differently. At least around here, the police take the CHP as an indication that they're dealing with a non-criminal, responsible person.

I have yet to be pulled over since getting my CHL, but I have resolved that I will always hand over my CHL with my DL, whether or not I'm carrying -- everything I've heard has been that the LEO generally tends to treat you with a greater degree of professional courtesy, if not more leniently.

I figure the risk of notifiying when I don't need to is less than the risk of not notifying when I should have.
 
I've been pulled over twice (in TX) and each time surrendered my license, CHP and insurance. On both occasions, once the officer became aware of my CHP, the tension level dropped to 0%. I can only assume that at that point, I became a "good guy" and not a potential threat. Also, surprisingly, in each instance I was not carrying.
 
I've been pulled over twice (in TX) and each time surrendered my license, CHP and insurance. On both occasions, once the officer became aware of my CHP, the tension level dropped to 0%. I can only assume that at that point, I became a "good guy" and not a potential threat. Also, surprisingly, in each instance I was not carrying.

You don't have a choice in Texas,Dawg,nor do I in NC.(If we are actually carrying)
But do you believe those 10 states are not practicing gun control with their "Must Notify" LE Laws?I do.
With all due respect,Dirty.:)
 
I have a friend that is a Portland cop and they go through enough Sh!* as it is. They really do appreciate people being straight with them. Are you required to? No. Should you? That is for you to decide. If you have a problem with it then don’t say anything except when asked. But I always try to put my self in other people’s shoes. If I were that officer I would like to know if you were carrying a gun. These people put their lives on the line every second of every day. They don’t know if they are pulling over a meth head or a member of the PTA. Maybe I am naive but I try to live by I am good to you then you will be good to me. I would recommend that not to make a big deal out if it. Do you have the right to? Sure. Should you or is it a good idea? IMO I don’t think so, what do you have to gain by it. Just say yes sir and be on your way. Then you can post your frustrations on THR.

Otis
 
In Michigan, we have to advise.
As the officer pulled in to take the report, I had my wallet in my hand. I passed my MCPL, my MDL and my pistol safety inspection papers to the officer.
Doc, I understand everything but the safety inspection. I was told by a lawyer to lock those up in the safe, or wherever you keep your important paperwork, as they needn't be with the gun, as some thought. Has there been a change I don't know about?
 
I have a friend that is a Portland cop and they go through enough Sh!* as it is. They really do appreciate people being straight with them. Are you required to? No. Should you? That is for you to decide. If you have a problem with it then don’t say anything except when asked. But I always try to put my self in other people’s shoes. If I were that officer I would like to know if you were carrying a gun. These people put their lives on the line every second of every day. They don’t know if they are pulling over a meth head or a member of the PTA. Maybe I am naive but I try to live by I am good to you then you will be good to me. I would recommend that not to make a big deal out if it. Do you have the right to? Sure. Should you or is it a good idea? IMO I don’t think so, what do you have to gain by it. Just say yes sir and be on your way. Then you can post your frustrations on THR.

Otis

Did you read this from mercop,a real cop, Otis and Drgeno,Arrogant Bastard,Count Glockula,Sean Dempsey,cassandrasdaddy,DirtyDawg and any others that feel this infringement on our 2A rights is acceptable?
This is gun control, pure and simple.
Again, "shall not be infringed" means just that.
As Standing Wolf so succinctly said:"My guns are none of the Government's business."
Let's get out of the Gun Control business.

From mercop:


Funny, I am retired now, but the last year I actually checked my stats was 2004 and I conducted over 1100 traffic stops on Rt 4O between Baltimore and Philly.

The people who were a danger to me buy having a firearm (criminals) just never seem to tell you they are carrying. IMHO there is no need during a normal traffic stop to inform the officer you are carrying a gun. Now if for some reason you have to get out of the car and he may see your gun, I think it would be courteous to let him know. The whole letting the officer know you have a gun thing is just like gun control. It makes no difference to the criminals. Just my $.02.

You put this in another current thread,Otis and I answered:


After all they will find out anyway. And going back to my second reason that would be why I would volunteer that information. He doesn’t know who he is dealing with. I may be a serial killer for all he knows. A nervous cop is not one I would like to be in front of.

Otis.

Duke:
But that's the whole point,Otis.You are an honest upstanding citizen.Is the serial killer going to volunteer ANY INFO to the cop?
Why are you and others so worried about nervous cops,end of shifts cops, want to get home to their families(as if we all don't)cops?
Stop worrying about cops and start thinking about your rights as an American.Your guns are none of the Government's business,Otis.
Remember that old bumper sticker "I fear the Government that fear's my gun?"
So true.There is a lot of fear of LE out there.
 
he would have "preferred" to be notified of your chl? tell him you would have PREFERRED not to have been pulled over. but we don't always get what we want. so if you're not in trouble for it then let that sh*t go.
 
Here, in depression country, AKA Michigan, we are obligated by law to inform. Even if we weren't I would inform them anyway.
If I put themselve in their shoes it's something I would want to know and would look differently on the person I pulled over had they volunteered the information but that's just me...
 
Take this as you will...

I'm a resident of Portland, OR and had a similar situation that turned out to be MUCH less pleasant than the OP's experience. Driving home from a movie, after exiting the freeway, I turned right at a red light onto a one way street. Cop pulled me over about half a mile down the road. He asked if there was any reason I was in such a hurry (I knew I had not been speeding as I had just accelerated to the limit and saw him behind me after turning onto the road) so I said, no, just heading home.

He asks for my license and registration, I tell him it's in the glove box and get an ok to grab it (don't want a gun pointed at my head for reaching into my glove box). Hand it over to him. He asks if this is my car (I'm 24, Mercedes Benz, but I was quite nicely dressed at the time, whatever) I say yes. My name is on my license plate, lol. He takes it back, and seems like it is taking FOREVER. Like 10-15mins. later his "backup" arrives (officer 2). The backup cop is a real big guy, and from his posture and tone I'm not liking what has developed.

They ask why I didn't provide them w/ my CHL and I said I didn't see what it had to do w/ a traffic stop and I knew it would come up in their computer anyways, (in an overly respectful tone mind you) I don't want anything to escalate here. He says when I see a "guy like you" and then I come up to the car and see a gun on your hip I'm drawing out on you. I'm thinking well, for one it's CONCEALED and two I'm one of the good guys who went out of my way to get my CHL and three, I hope he's not referring to the fact that I'm black but can't think of anything else that separates me from average joe w/ a CHL.

He then tells me that I HAVE TO INFORM THEM IF I AM CARRYING :confused: and I said, sir if that is the case then I don't have a problem doing that, but in my CHL class and all my talking to friends w/ CHL's and officers I have not heard of such a rule on the books and I basically concede that this guy is ignorant and kind of a dick so I let it go. They ask me if I am carrying at the time, I say yes, and I offer to provide them w/ my CHL and they now don't need it. So, officer 1, who I assume is a rookie, the one who pulled me over, writes me my ticket and still at this point I don't know what for so I ask and he says "failure to yield to a traffic control device." Apparently I didn't come to a full and complete stop when I came to the light off the freeway exit.

So I left that situation with a pretty bad taste in my mouth for law enforcement around here and I KNOW I KNOW, there are good ones and bad ones, I have good friends that I respect very highly that are cops, detectives, etc. I called the Multnomah county concealed handgun licensing unit to get the facts straight and there is NO DUTY TO INFORM an officer you are carrying. I felt better about that but it would be nice if the officers knew the law they preached. Please don't take this as a rant on LEO's, just sharing my experience.

In the future, I will probably just give them my CHL and hopefully forego the unpleasantries. :)
 
In Utah, we're legally required to let them know
1.) If you have a permit.
2.) Whether or not you have a firearm on your person.
 
If they have one and don't disclose that they do it makes one wonder what else they are hiding. Case in point, CWP Holder pulled over for a traffic violation, also hauling drugs.

And the moral of the story is "Don't do drugs." If a cop wants to search my entire car he won't find a thing but some used fast food wrappers. I try to avoid things like "breaking the law" which seems to help me stay out of trouble. ;) (sarcasm)
 
In AZ you are supposed to inform if asked. I was asked once, and I replied, "Yes, I have a gun, with a permit," and produced the permit. It went no further than that. But if not asked, I will not volunteer the information. It would serve no purpose, but more importantly, we are not here for LEO's convenience. Somebody has forgotten the "serve" part of "protect and serve."
 
I recently completed the CWP course in SC and am awaiting my permit. I am required to inform an officer that I am a CWP holder if asked for identification, and took it for granted that all other states had similar policies.

I don't think it's a bad idea, or that it's intrusive. Even in a state where I was not required to inform the officer, I think I would still do so, just like I'm not required to keep my hands on the steering wheel, turn off the car, or turn on the dome light at night.

I do all these things out of courtesy, and more often than not it will put you on better (I didn't say good) terms with the officer when he walks up to your car.
 
In AZ you are supposed to inform if asked. I was asked once, and I replied, "Yes, I have a gun, with a permit," and produced the permit. It went no further than that. But if not asked, I will not volunteer the information. It would serve no purpose, but more importantly, we are not here for LEO's convenience. Somebody has forgotten the "serve" part of "protect and serve."

Now,if we just could have a nationwide crusade with your commonsense,we'll be on to something good.
Anything to count-act those "I want the LEO to feel relaxed and docile, and roll over so I can tickle his belly" citizens who have forgotten what the 2nd Amendment is all about.
Again,thank you for your intelligent comments,TLH.
 
I recently completed the CWP course in SC and am awaiting my permit. I am required to inform an officer that I am a CWP holder if asked for identification, and took it for granted that all other states had similar policies.

I don't think it's a bad idea, or that it's intrusive. Even in a state where I was not required to inform the officer, I think I would still do so, just like I'm not required to keep my hands on the steering wheel, turn off the car, or turn on the dome light at night.

I do all these things out of courtesy, and more often than not it will put you on better (I didn't say good) terms with the officer when he walks up to your car.

As you now know only 10 out of 48 states have this demand, John.Now you no longer can take it for granted.
Do you feel this is an intrusion on your 2nd Amendment right to bear arms without any infringement?
38 states that I agree with with say yes, at least to this stipulation.Is "courtesy" more important than your rights,John?
What say you?
 
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