Pulling flush seated bullets

[Ritchie]

Getting a cartridge with a flush seated bullet into the puller collet can be slow and aggravating. So I made this adapter. Also, to
put the collet sections back together, stick a loop of tape to the bench and stick the sections to it, and roll the o-ring over them. This
happens to be .45 Auto Rim.

 

[CQB45ACP]

Well I'm confused. Here's a 45acp & my hammer setup. You've got extra parts. Does the rim on the auto rim not catch hold?

 

[usaral63]

Collet died years back.........I just stick the ctg in the appropriate shell holder and let fly...............works for me.......but I might be a bit concerned about using a tubular device to hold that shell....might, just might act as a chamber would should you get a discharge!

 

[Ritchie]

The rim catches fine apart from battering the collet. The case mouth also catches in the situation of a flush-seated bullet. That doesn't show very well in the photo. That is a 200 gr. semi-wadcutter.

 

[Ritchie]

Collet died years back.........I just stick the ctg in the appropriate shell holder and let fly...............works for me.......but I might be a bit concerned about using a tubular device to hold that shell....might, just might act as a chamber would should you get a discharge!

By great foresight, the hole in the flat washer reduces that risk to .....normal?

 

[CQB45ACP]

Well I'm still cornfused, but my problem not yours. Good luck

 

[Riomouse911]

Unscrew outer piece to loosen three part metal collet, insert offending round in three part collet so it’s inside the kinetic puller body, cinch down outer piece to hold it all in place, whack 1-2-3 times until bullet pops out, unscrew outer piece and empty.

I’m with @CQB45ACP , is there another step we are missing somewhere?

 

[Blue68f100]

Well I'm confused. Here's a 45acp & my hammer setup. You've got extra parts. Does the rim on the auto rim not catch hold?
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The way you have the 3 pc collet is backwards. The grip side is suppose to be be to the primer side. Doing it as you have it the brass has a tendency to pop out. It's designed that way to make it easy to insert the brass.

 

[CQB45ACP]

The way you have the 3 pc collet is backwards. The grip side is suppose to be be to the primer side. Doing it as you have it the brass has a tendency to pop out. It's designed that way to make it easy to insert the brass.

Thanks. Just staging for picture--I've pulled over 1000 Acme's with this hammer. Approaching 2000 actually.

 

[higgite]

Getting a cartridge with a flush seated bullet into the puller collet can be slow and aggravating. So I made this adapter. Also, to
put the collet sections back together, stick a loop of tape to the bench and stick the sections to it, and roll the o-ring over them. This
happens to be .45 Auto Rim.

You’re telling us that it’s more convenient and less aggravating to totally disassemble and reassemble the puller for each individual cartridge than it is to work it into the 3 piece collet without disassembling and reassembling the puller?

The rim catches fine apart from battering the collet. The case mouth also catches in the situation of a flush-seated bullet. That doesn't show very well in the photo. That is a 200 gr. semi-wadcutter.

I don't get the part about the rim battering the collet. Is the cartridge not held tight and rattles around under the cap when you screw it down?

 

[FP1201]

For stubborn rounds I use a Frankford Arsenal "Pile Driver". They're slow to load, noisy, and must be mounted to a Wall or vertically to a sound structure, but they DO work!
Amazon Pile Driver

 

[papajim2jordan]

An easy way around using the collet is to substitute a shell holder. Seems to hold pretty tight, and much faster. Just orient the shell holder opening towards the handle.

Although the version of the puller I have is not RCBS, (Quinetics?), a call to RCBS yielded a wire ring to replace the rubber "O".

 

[BW460]

I find it easier to insert the cartridge from the bottom (flat side) of the collet than from the top. Insert the rim at an angle and rock it into the collet. I do like the idea of using a shell holder. Unfortunately, I know too much about pulling bullets. I'm a big fan of creativity and novel ways of solving problems but I'm not sure there is a problem here. I too am a bit concerned that the insert shown in the OP looks a bit like a chamber in the event something goes wrong. I am jealous though that you apparently have a metal lathe.

 

[Bazoo]

I find it easier to insert the cartridge from the bottom (flat side) of the collet than from the top. Insert the rim at an angle and rock it into the collet. I do like the idea of using a shell holder. Unfortunately, I know too much about pulling bullets. I'm a big fan of creativity and novel ways of solving problems but I'm not sure there is a problem here. I too am a bit concerned that the insert shown in the OP looks a bit like a chamber in the event something goes wrong. I am jealous though that you apparently have a metal lathe.

That is the way I insert a cartridge into the collet also.

I usually use a shell holder unless it's a cartridge I happen not to have a shell holder for.

 

[higgite]

I find it easier to insert the cartridge from the bottom (flat side) of the collet than from the top. Insert the rim at an angle and rock it into the collet. I do like the idea of using a shell holder.

The collet is shaped the way it is for a reason, or reasons.
1. Flat side of the collet goes toward the hammer head. Two mating flat surfaces are more stable than flat and round mating surfaces. If reversed, the rounded surface of the collet would tend to wear the inner rim of the hammer head and create uneven surfaces and uneven forces that can damage the hammer and hinder the purpose of it.
2. The screw on cap has a concave surface where it screws down on the collet’s rounded surface. This centers the cartridge in the hammer head and squeezes the collet closed so the cartridge won’t rattle around and lose some effectiveness of the hammer blow.

At least that’s my observation. ymmv

 

[BW460]

The collet is shaped the way it is for a reason, or reasons.
1. Flat side of the collet goes toward the hammer head. Two mating flat surfaces are more stable than flat and round mating surfaces. If reversed, the rounded surface of the collet would tend to wear the inner rim of the hammer head and create uneven surfaces and uneven forces that can damage the hammer and hinder the purpose of it.
2. The screw on cap has a concave surface where it screws down on the collet’s rounded surface. This centers the cartridge in the hammer head and squeezes the collet closed so the cartridge won’t rattle around and lose some effectiveness of the hammer blow.

At least that’s my observation. ymmv

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. I know what side goes up. Reread my post, I said to insert the cartridge rim from the "bottom" of the collet, i.e. the flat side. I never said to put the flat side up.

 

[CQB45ACP]

So it’s like this (1) and not this (2)?


Oops! Next two thousand should be so much easier.

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

So it’s like this (1) and not this (2)?
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Oops! Next two thousand should be so much easier.

Simple logic says both ways will work and for the same reasons (the collet gets squeezed either way)

 

[Blue68f100]

Simple logic says both ways will work and for the same reasons (the collet gets squeezed either way)

The second one will try to expand the collet, where the 1st will get tighter.

 

[CQB45ACP]

The second one will try to expand the collet, where the 1st will get tighter.

And both ways work. Well for sure the wrong way works. No first hand knowledge about right way.

One whack, two whacks not always the same but well more than 1000 successful pulls. I’ll do it correct way now. I find it amazing that little rubber band hasn’t broken.

PS—
Why can’t I say for sure how many? Well I’ve purchased 2000 Acmes and pulled most but not all.

 

[LV Gun]

Unscrew outer piece to loosen three part metal collet, insert offending round in three part collet so it’s inside the kinetic puller body, cinch down outer piece to hold it all in place, whack 1-2-3 times until bullet pops out, unscrew outer piece and empty.

I’m with @CQB45ACP , is there another step we are missing somewhere?

No you and CQB45ACP are not missing a step I load 45 auto rimmed and just use the collet that comes with the kinetic hammer and just wack them out. I use the largest collet and just push the case through so the rim sets on top of the collet.

 

[FLIGHT762]

An easy way around using the collet is to substitute a shell holder. Seems to hold pretty tight, and much faster. Just orient the shell holder opening towards the handle.

Although the version of the puller I have is not RCBS, (Quinetics?), a call to RCBS yielded a wire ring to replace the rubber "O". View attachment 1264925View attachment 1264927View attachment 1264928

There have been reports of cartridge discharges when using a shell holder in a kinetic puller.

Here are two reports of discharges.

https://forum.accurateshooter.com/threads/hammer-style-bullet-puller-accidental-discharge.4085263/

Inertial Bullet Puller Warning

To minimize fumbling, a common practice is to use a shell holder in place of the O-ring collets supplied with plastic hammer style inertial bullet pullers. It turns out this can be DANGEROUS. Board member MtJerry describes why in the thread quoted below. You have to read the thread down to...

www.shootersforum.com

There's a lot shooting forums recommending the shell holder trick. I even tried it for a while.

Just an FYI.

 

[CQB45ACP]

There have been reports of cartridge discharges when using a shell holder in a kinetic puller.

Here are two reports of discharges.

https://forum.accurateshooter.com/threads/hammer-style-bullet-puller-accidental-discharge.4085263/

Inertial Bullet Puller Warning

To minimize fumbling, a common practice is to use a shell holder in place of the O-ring collets supplied with plastic hammer style inertial bullet pullers. It turns out this can be DANGEROUS. Board member MtJerry describes why in the thread quoted below. You have to read the thread down to...

www.shootersforum.com

There's a lot shooting forums recommending the shell holder trick. I even tried it for a while.

Just an FYI.

Yikes! Thanks for that. Anyone else?

 

[papajim2jordan]

I'll have to give that another go. When I learned of the shell holder approach, I was told to orient the shell holder slot opening toward the handle so as to minimize that risk. I might try this with a spent primer and see if it comes out of the pocket on a loose pocket case. I use a thick, hard plastic block to strike the tool on. Many times a heavy pistol bullet will pop out on the first strike, where it can take several against the wood bench. I can see how several things done wrong would pile up against you and lead to disaster. Perhaps I've lived a charmed life.

Safety Glasses First

 

[CQB45ACP]

I'll have to give that another go. When I learned of the shell holder approach, I was told to orient the shell holder slot opening toward the handle so as to minimize that risk. I might try this with a spent primer and see if it comes out of the pocket on a loose pocket case. I use a thick, hard plastic block to strike the tool on. Many times a heavy pistol bullet will pop out on the first strike, where it can take several against the wood bench. I can see how several things done wrong would pile up against you and lead to disaster. Perhaps I've lived a charmed life.

Let us know. Till then I've decided against making any more mistakes requiring pulling bullets.