Purchase delayed

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  1. Davek1977

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    It just happens, no real rhyme or reason as to why usually. I've gotten denied the day after renewing my CCW permit, which also runs a NCIS check.
     
  2. Trey Veston

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    I get delayed every time now. I have to drive 30 miles round trip to the only FFL in my county, so it is a pain.

    I have a CCW, former law enforcement, former military with a Secret clearance, and currently ITAR certified due to my work in corporate security. And I'm a nice guy...

    No idea why the feds hate me...
     
  3. dogtown tom

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    Academy has to abide by the same ATF regulations as any other licensed dealer, as well as abiding by the laws of the state where that particular Academy store is located.
    Academy may have business practices that are more strict than ATF regulations....such as not transferring a firearm to a buyer who received a "delay" after three business days. The Brady Law does not prohibit such a transfer, but does not require it either.

    If your dealer (or Academy, Cabelas, etc) has more stringent restrictions and business policies than required under Federal or state law......then simply don't buy guns from them.
     
  4. dogtown tom

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    None of which is a part of the NICS system. It is solely a name and descriptive information search.
    I have a CURRENT local police officer who gets delayed.
     
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  6. WestKentucky

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    I’m doing a NICS tomorrow. I have never done a NICS this time of year (that I remember anyways) and I hope it goes smooth. I haven’t used this FFL before and he charges more than others in my area, but he is also open later and near my home. I’m willing to throw out an extra few bucks for convenience if it works out. If not, I’m going back to the pretty girl at the shop near where I work. Cheap, almost as convenient, and really pleasant. This thread has me nervous about being denied, not that I meet criteria for a denial, I just get aggravated when something I already paid for is arbitrarily kept away from me.
     
  7. pharmer

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    Another reason is "multiple single item purchases." I bought a half dozen AR lowers before the 2016 election. On the last one I sat in the 4473 chair for 2 hours while at least a dozen folks bought rifles/lowers and were on their way. Never got a reason from the vendor. Joe
     
  8. Sniper66

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    I don't get it....My brother is a retired vet and lifelong shooter. He's purchased dozens of guns...rifles, shotguns and pistols; never had a delay...until 4-5 years ago. Now, every time he buys a gun, he gets hit with a 3-day delay. And of course you never know why. I've purchased similar numbers of guns in the last 10-15 years and have never had a delay. Go figure. About the only difference is he's a vet and I'm not.
     
  9. dogtown tom

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    Wrong. Where do ya'll get this stuff?o_O
    NICS is never told how many firearms are being bought or transferred. They don't get any information other than the TYPE of firearm(hand gun/long gun/other)......in your case the dealer would have indicated "Other". You can buy a thousand firearms on that 4473 and NICS will only be told your name and descriptive information and the TYPE of firearm.

    NICS is for background checks on the buyer and has nothing to do with the firearm registration.


    And you never will. FBI NICS is prohibited from telling the dealer the reason for a delay or denial.
     
  10. pharmer

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    Don"t know if it's right or wrong, only a personal experience. Joe
     
  11. Jeff Burgess

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    Sometimes NICS don’t even know why, many of times when I would call back to check the status of one the girl would says I don’t know why they didn’t give you a proceed the first time. Maybe some agent just got lazy.
     
  12. dogtown tom

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    NICS will NEVER tell the dealer the reason for a delay or denial, due the Federal Privacy Act of 1974.
    If you are calling back....you aren't talking to FBI NICS. FBI NICS has prohibited dealers from calling to check on status updates for several years.
     
  13. Jeff Burgess

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    Wrong wrong wrong I’m not sure where you get that s information but you CAN call nics back and check a status. Have done it countless times
     
  14. Figboot

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    Whether or not the number of firearms being purchased is entered in depends on your state. Here in Tennessee the FFL has to enter in gun type and serial number for every firearm purchased even if it is in the same transaction. It always confused me how some people online were so adamant that the serial number isn't entered even though I knew for a fact it was until learning that it differs state by state.
     
  15. dogtown tom

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    Uhhhh…...FBI NICS.
    They will refer you to NICS Customer Service where you will be told that you are not to call for NICS status updates, but to use NICS E check.
     
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    They are "so adamant" because Tennessee uses TICS, not FBI NICS, as the point of contact.
    For the billionth time, FBI NICS doesn't care one whit about the serial# of the firearm because it isn't a gun registration program, but a buyer background check program.
     
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    I'm guessing that a search of your name turns up numerous responses due to your background , triggering further scrutiny thus a delay ...?
     
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    His background ( CCW, former law enforcement, former military with a Secret clearance, and currently ITAR certified) has absolutely ZERO, NOTHING, NADA, ZIPPTYDOODAH to do with an FBI NICS background check.

    The NICS check is strictly a name and descriptive information search. It's not a check on CCW status, your former or current employment, military service or secret clearances. Those have nothing to do with anything. If your name is identical or even similar to that of a prohibited person, you can expect multiple records to be returned to NICS during the check. The call or online echeck will be forwarded to an FBI Legal Documents Examiner who will compare the records of the buyer vs those of the prohibited persons whose records also appeared. The examiner will then issue a proceed/delay/denied status. If "delayed", then the Brady Law does not prohibit the transfer after three business days, beginning the next business day. The NICS will use those three business days to conduct additional research on the buyer.

    That people keep repeating the same incorrect information (muh Uber Top Secret Clearance, Seal Team 6, CHL/CCW/LTC/etc, former or current police officer. etc is what causes my delay) shows a complete and wholly ignorant understanding of how NICS works and what the NICS background check uses. Anyone that wants can read the same information I posted by merely going to the FBI NICS website and spending a few minutes. https://www.fbi.gov/services/cjis/nics

    Being ignorant of what NICS is, does and how the process works means your posts will mislead members of the forum. That ain't right.:(
     
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    Mr Dogtown --- If you reread my post , punctuation included , you will see that I did not make my statement in the context of fact ; it was speculation.
    I yield completely to your apparent expertise in the subject of this thread. You are the master of the subject. Sorry for adding a comment. Sorry for rocking your boat. You Win.

    ENOUGH ALREADY!!!
     
  20. dogtown tom

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    Call it speculation, guessing, opinion, a hunch, or conjecture...…..by any name it doesn't do the forum a service, but a disservice. The reasons for a delay are not a secret and the only reason to speculate is because you haven't bothered to Google.



    It's not about expertise or subject mastery, but about having spent a few minutes reading at fbi.gov. Do that and you won't need to speculate.;)



    If you don't like public response to your comment then why post on a public forum? o_O
     
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  22. OneFreeTexan

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    Years ago I learned there was some one with the same exact name,,just over there in Wisconsin,,,maybe they passed on by now. At that time they were a pretty seasoned criminal,,, had quite a record., even some jail time..Their record got mixed up with my just once and a totally non-gun related issue,
    Yet, I have never been delayed on a gun purchas, and my guy still uses paper and the phone....
    I can’t explain it,, maybe you can??????
     
  23. Eddietruett

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    In SC we don't have a background check if you have a CC Permit, and even before I had a permit, I was never delayed. I did witness a weird thing at a Gun Show about a year ago. I watched a gentleman buy 2 guns from 2 different vendors that were side by side and both his checks went through immediately. About an hour later, I was having a check done at a 3rd dealer and this same guy bought a gun and was sitting right beside me and got denied (not delayed) about an hour after he had been approved twice! I was told by the dealer, that it was all worked out the next week, but what a hassle.
     
  24. dogtown tom

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    While he may have the exact same name, his descriptive information may not be anything close to yours.
    Place of birth, height, weight, sex, birthdate, ethnicity, race would need to be nearly identical to cause you a delay. This is also the reason that listing your Social Security Number is helpful.
     
  25. Trey Veston

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    I bought two more firearms last week and wasn't delayed on either one.

    I was delayed on the ones bought the last couple of years.
     
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