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Purchased a locked safe, and need advice on affordable safe cracking!

Discussion in 'Shooting Gear and Storage' started by leadcounsel, Jun 3, 2013.

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  1. OilyPablo

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    Wow that is pretty sweet!!! Great PIF.
     
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    I've mentioned it to the OP in a private message, but I suppose I should mention it here for those who haven't caught on.

    B Dalton is long out of business. The gift certificate and membership card are worthless (which is why they were found in the locked safe). As I said previously, we never find anything of value in locked safes. ;)
     
  3. OilyPablo

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    My SGN PIF humor somehow didn't translate to THR humor. :)
     
  4. leadcounsel

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    One lesson learned here is that getting into a safe is MUCH harder than many people will have you believe, as I learned from first hand experience. Several hours of loud cutting, banging, creating lots of dust... It was a very tough project. Went through several blades....
     
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    Just like Geraldo...
     
  6. a1abdj

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    Real safes yes. Most gun safes are still only a few minutes worth of work. :D
     
  7. OilyPablo

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    The real reason for securely bolting a safe down........and putting it in an "uninteresting" tight location.
     
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    Have a buddy with a loader or 'hoe lift it up in the air and drop it. A couple times usually splits the corners apart and the hinges fail.
    Yes, I've done it- it works. Yes the safe is junk afterwards. Hope you don't have Faberge' eggs inside.
     
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    I have a question bout that construction. Why was the thicker panel of steel on the inside? Does that provide better fire protection or something? What are the drawbacks of doing it that way?
     
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    Saves on shipping. The safe could be shipped in its shell, and then filled with concrete once it arrived.

    I don't know of anything built like that anymore, but some manufacturers still offer a concrete cladding at an additional charge. Usually 3-4 inches of concrete around the safe. It adds weight, and some degree of burglary and fire resistance, although it doesn't change any ratings the safe has.
     
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    I kind of tuned out of this thread due to the Zimmerman trial and the fact that threads similiar to this over at another site go on and on without any results other than keeping a bunch of guys hanging on.
    Glad you delivered and got the beast open!
    And by the way,this is why I always laugh to myself while in other safe threads when guys who have never done this always pontificate on how easy it is to open a safe by the brute strength method.
     
  12. RetiredUSNChief

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    Good read! I followed a link here from another string and was very much entertained!

    As I was reading, however, it occurred to me that you missed your opportunity to spray-paint a few ingots of aluminum with gold Rust-Oleum and borrow some of your wife's jewelry as a "cache of valuables", that you could have posted here...

    :evil:
     
  13. Trent

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    This thread was entertaining. Congratulations on cracking that bad boy open! If nothing else it was a learning experience for everyone.

    No safe can survive modern power tools.

    To think otherwise is foolish. :)
     
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    neighbor and i just did the same with an old bank safe. Figured we might get rich but it was empty. What we did was use his plazma cutter to cut a real clean hole and when we were done we welded it back in ground down the welds and painted it. You really couldnt tell we had done it when were were done. he ended up selling the safe for a few hundred bucks at a flee market.
     
  16. Field Tester

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    Sucks that you voided that certificate by writing on it. Barnes and Nobel may have still honored it. Or possibly wanted it for display at their Corporate Offices.
     
  17. leadcounsel

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    Well, apparently opening abandoned or discarded safes can be profitable! :)

    A member here sent me this link today....

    http://www.click2houston.com/news/r...safe/-/1735978/22695372/-/37trjm/-/index.html


    I don't know why he would have opened his mouth and told anyone, knowing all the legal problems it would create. He should have simply quietly gotten the gold appraised, insured, and put in a safe deposit box.

    He has title and possession of the property. He was under zero legal or moral obligation to inform the previous owner.

    The correct legal answer is that it's discarded or abandoned property. The previous owners essentially sold it for scrap or threw it away. The person who possessed it (the guy who went through the work to move and open the safe) owns it. But now he's likely going to have it drawn out in a lengthy expensive trial to get his property.
     
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    a small whole must be made first and fill with water if you are going to use a cutting torch, to protect any paper from burning. That said I have seen "safe crackers" drill three small holes in the rear of a cheat safe, one to see , one for a light and one for a long drill to drill out back of lock, of course they knew the construcrion of the safe! maybe could be researched on internet.
     
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    About that Gary safe

    To any that might be interested, I have been in the safe manufacturing end of the business as well as the design and sales end so what I am espousing here is my opinion, but with some experience.
    The Gary safe co. has long been out of business and part of it was purchased by Fire King International about 25 years ago,
    Several of the previous comments have some merit, i.e. be careful with the oxy torch when using it to weaken the concrete between the outer sheet metal skin and the inner safe body steel.
    Do NOT, repeat, do NOT attempt to use a thermal lance. Your inexperience might well cause a fire on nearby material because of the tremendous amout of sparks that will be generated, Smoke will be profuse as well. Serious injury, or death, may also be possible due to your inexperience with this type of tool.
    The mention of the hinge removal being useless is absolutely correct. Don't wast your time on that.
    Also the borescope suggested will not do you any good because it takes special scopes and you have to know where to drill and know what you would be looking at inside the locks. Experienced safe technicians have the tool and the knowledge and they will get paid for that expertise.
    There were some responses touching around one possibility and that is a coring machine. You would have to have two types of blades, one for steel and the other for the concrete, and water will be needed as a coolent. Don't go thru the doors!
    The safe "value" is anything you can get for the scrap steel.
    In all my years of being around safes, and knowing of "found" safes being opened to hopefully find something of value, especially in a commercial depository safe such as his, there have been only two and what was found was worth less than the opening cost.
    Just my opinion for what worth is may have.
     
  20. Gord

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    Guys - the safe has already been opened.

    Welcome to THR. Reading is fundamental.
     
  21. cactus02

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    It takes patience and luck to get through something like that.you may have glass re-lockers in this. if you break them the spring loaded bolts cannot be retracted even with the combination. try every combination. The locksmiths have a machine that bolts to the front of the safe and tries every combo and and records the one that opens the safe. A good safe mechanic knows exactly where to drill and see the tumblers with a bore scope.Good luck
     
  22. nyresq

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    the safe was opened... weeks ago... reading helps...
     
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