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I have been looking at some Pythons, is there a way to determine which grips would be correct for a specific year?
There are many sets of grips for sale and the prices vairy a lot.
How can I find out if they are origianl colt?
It seems information is scarce on the vairations in grips.
I have come to realize that the Colt emblem on the grips is no sure thing as to if they are real.
Any help on this would be dandy.
 
I've owned several Pythons and still do, but the grips have always eluded me. Certain years used gold medallions and other years used silver, and then you've got the odd chance that the grips are replicas and not original Colt grips. My advice, get the first few characters of the serial number and then explain the grips. Someone more knowledgeable might be able to help. And there's always the Colt Forum. Those guys over there really know their stuff.
 
The early Colt target stocks, 1955 to 1960 or 61 (sort of guessing here) had full checkering, like the ones below.

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I am told that most of the time the Pythons had gold medallions while silver was used for the other models but some Pythons with silver have been noted so maybe they grabbed what was on the shelf in some cases.

In the 1960s and and 1970s they looked like these:

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At some point in the 1980s the design changed to where the top border of checkering did not dip under the medallion but ran a straight line under it. These D/backs illustrate the difference.

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I can't give you the exact dates of the changes but I hope this is of some help.
 
I don't have the gun yet and the grips are cheap pacmyre after market.

I have seen replacement knock offs and don't know if the inside is marked or serialized.

I just started looking at the big snakes and am working on a deal for my 1973 Colt Navy modern production unfired in a Colt presentation case with acc. I could not find the exact BP value anywhere so am guessing about $800 in unfired condition.
It is not easy to do when there is no cash available on either end of the deal.
He wants $1000 for the 4 inch with non standard grips and it is in 98% looking unfired.
Nither of us is in a rush to make a deal so time is the only factor.
Thanks for the pics and info.
 
With Colt NOTHING is 100% sure.
As to what specific year Colt made grips changes, even this is not certain, since Colt would show older or newer grips in their catalogs, and would often use up supplies of older styles even after they made a change.
Dates are ONLY estimates.

Here's the standard Colt Python grips, and "about" when they were used:

First type.
Fully checkered, made of walnut with a dull oil finish. Gold medallions ONLY on Pythons, other guns used Silver.
The same type of grip was also used on other Colt revolvers with Silver medallions, some of which were made of a hard wood with a very dark brown stain. Under the dark brown stain the wood is a yellow-white fairly soft hard wood. Watch out for medallions being switched.
Used from 1955 to around the early 1960's:
FirstTypeLeft.jpg

Second type.
"Half-moon" checkering border under the medallions, "thumb rest" (actually a speed loader cut) only on the left side. Made of walnut with a semi-gloss varnish type finish. Probably the most attractive Colt Target grip.
These also were made of a hard wood for other models of Colt's. These have a lighter, more natural walnut stain, but under the stain is the softer yellow-white hard wood, which has almost no grain.
Used from early 1960's to mid-1970's.
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Third type.
Checkering ends in a slanted straight line under the medallions, "thumb rest" on both sides. Semi-gloss finish. The most copied type, replicas and fakes abound.
Used from mid-1970's to mid-1990's.
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Fourth type.
No checkering, made of laminated wood that came in in several colors. Medallions may be Gold or Silver. Made by "Excaliber", an outside contractor.
Used from mid-1990's to end of production in 2003:
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Service type.
The Colt Service type grips were used almost exclusively on the 2 1/2" Python, all others usually had Target grips.
These always had Gold medallions.
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Rubber types.
Colt used Pachmayr "Presentation" square butt grips in both standard and a slightly smaller version from the early 1980's to sometime in the 1990's, usually on stainless guns but later on blued too.
They also used Pachmayr Grippers. All had Gold or occasionally Silver medallions.
For a short time in the 1990's Colt used Hogue rubber Mono-Grips with molded-in Colt logos.

Fakes and "replicas"
Italian made.
These are made of European walnut, and in a very poor European hard wood. The hardwood didn't have medallions and at one point were sold by CDNN for $9.95.
The better type with medallions may even be found in "Colt" wrap. No Python ever left the factory with these.
These are often found on Pythons up for sale, with the inference that they're original Colt grips.
Note the odd S&W style checkering with grooved border, the checkering ending farther up on the butt, the odd looking thumb rests. These are flatter on the sides than the more oval shaped Colt grips.
Note a common feature of fakes and replicas..... brass screws and screw bushings on both sides. Colt used only a single steel bushing on the right grips and steel screws. These are usually blued, but may be plated.
FakeThirdType.jpg

Cheap Italian hard wood fake by the same maker:
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Current Asian "replicas".
These are made in Asia and heavily sold on Ebay among other sources.
These are usually made of Asian hard woods, often with garish contrasting grain. Checkering is often crudely done.
Note the odd non-Colt type thumb rests.
These usually have Gold medallions that appear to be the Colt Pony logo , but on closer inspection are not. Watch out for these medallions to be switched with real Colt medallions:
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Second type fakes.
These are currently being sold heavily on Ebay, and are better then the Third type shown above. Again, medallions appear to be Gold Colt until you look closer.
PythonFakes-AsianSecondType.jpg
 
In the short time I have been checking out Python grips I noticed a lot of misrepresentations on "original" labeling.
The prices are not inline with what one would exspect.
May fisherman looking for a fine catch with artificial bait.
So as usual let the buyer beware and remember the high prices dont mean diddly about real value and origin.
There are some honest good replacements out there at a fair price and if up front about this it is not a bad thing.
 
thanks again for all the information.
I am now the proud owner of a 1980 four inch possibly unfired Python.
I am looking at some Mustang grips for it. The factory ones are not quite my cup of tea.
maybe someday I will find a deal on some but I am not in a rush. cash poor is what I would call it.
Both I and my friend are booth happy with the trade.
 
Looks like you did alright. I know the Python I bought 26 years ago for $250 was almost a steal. JMHO I went back to the place I bought it, to get some ammo. The guy behind the counter told me I'd have to bring it back and let them check the serial # on it, seems as though Colt had a price increase when this one was behind the counter. They wanted to check to see if this one should have the price increase.... DUH I told him to check his records, it should have the same # as mine, and if there should have been an price increase, you'd better know your stock better than that!

Long & short, glad you have the "new" one.
 
Chose to go with heretts grips.

I found a pair of heretts grips on Gunbroker from Kerr Gun Supply for $33.00
shipping and all.
I can not justify paying the price for the factory wood when I would have replaced them anyhow.
If I were going to spend that much $125 and up i would go with sag grips.
In this pic is the Python with Herrets and a 640 SW plus a Klein knife,SW knife Ruger LCP.
The other Photo a High Standard 22 magnum.
Thanks for all the grip information on the Python.
This site is a great resource and thank you to the mods for helping me post ths pics.
Merry Christmas to you all.BULL
 

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