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Quality of Tula ammo?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by borrowedtime69, Sep 28, 2012.

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  1. Warp

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    I never said I was using it in my rifles.

    (I'm not)

    I'd love to see some more information and evidence for TulAmmo legitimately shooting 1/2" at 100 yards.

    The last time I heard something that amazing it turned out to be a single "3 round group with 1 flyer" (seriously)
     
  2. MAKster

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    I've been shooting the Tula .223 for $5 a box. In my experience it has more oomph than the Remington ammo in the green and white box.
     
  3. meanmrmustard

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    Bolt rifle. Interarms Mini Mark X, Tula 55 gr. fmj. Still nasty accurate at 100, for crap ammo.

    What rifle are you shooting it out of? Seems to me it might be finicky, even for steel cased.
     
  4. Warp

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    I haven't personally shot it out of anything.

    This is one of those things where I learn via the experience of others, sometimes witnessed first hand. I don't have enough money to go taking chances on products I don't have a good reason to believe are worth my money. ;)
     
  5. M1key

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    Just bought several boxes of Tula 223 at my local Walmart. I plan on pulling the bullets, dumping the powder, reloading with my favorite powder charge and bullet, then shooting it out of my Saiga. Muy bueno..:cool:

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  6. pseudonymity

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    I shoot quite a bit of it in 7.62x39, 9mm and .223. About the only problem I have seen is the bolt failing to lock back on the last round occasionally on the AR. Not surprisingly, the P95 and SKS feed and fire the ammo as reliably as any other.

    I have to agree about the soot factor though - even the SKS gets pretty dark inside after shooting Tula, and the inside of the AR is almost as black as the outside after about 100 rounds. I can not really say it is dirty though - not like a .22lr autoloader where the grunge fills up the action - the Tula is just a really, really fine coating like candle soot.
     
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    Here's my take.

    Of the Russian ammo, I think the Bear series Gold-Silver-Brown is pretty darn good ammo.

    Tula and Wolf handgun ammo sucks. Period. Way too many failures. The 7.62 x 39 seems to be a bit more reliable, but I still like the way Bear ammo works.
     
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    All the russian type ammo comes from the same few factories. You have to make sure it came from the better factories regardless of the name stamped on it.
     
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  9. meanmrmustard

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    How can you ever live and learn without the leap buddy!

    In all fairness, .223 Tula in my bolt rifle isn't really a reliability tester, and its accurate even with Russian cheapo stuff. My AKs eat everything, most do.

    So, would it work in your 6920? Maybe.
    7.62x39 shoots great, but outta an AK. Not sure about an SKS or AR with 762 upper.

    So, I won't be using it in straight wall cartridge configuration in a SA rifle, only tapered chamberings in steel for me!
     
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    I'm not 100% sure that is the case from what I read. There are separate factories for the brands we see.
     
  11. Warp

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    It may very well work in my 6920. But I like it staying 100% reliable and if I were to have any kind of malfunction, even shooting Tula, I would not be happy and I would not be happy blaming the ammo...even though it probably would be the ammo.

    Every time I look at the price I am so seriously tempted, but I haven't caved yet
     
  12. Swampman

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    I see a lot of people bashing Russian ammo in general and Wolf in particular. Understand that Wolf is NOT an ammunition manufacturing company. There's no factory in Minsk or Moscow with a big Wolf flag flying out front where thousands of loyal Wolf employees go to work everyday.

    Wolf is a MARKETING company, they talk to whoever controls different ammunition producing factories, find the lowest bidder and contract for that factory to produce "X" number of rounds with the "Wolf" headstamp for "Y" number of Rubles, Dollars or Euros. Wolf doesn't produce crappy ammo, Wolf simply sells what they get by purchasing stuff from the lowest bidder!
    As I posted earlier, the Tula ammo you buy at your local Wally World might or might not have been produced at the Tula Factory. TulAmmo is also a MARKETING company, they sell "Tula" primers as well as ammunition. The Tula Arms Plant doesn't even MAKE any primers. They buy them from the Murom Apparatus Producing Plant, just like TulAmmo does.

    Russian ammo plants are capable of producing excellent ammunition, witness their 7n1 and 7n14 sniper rounds, they aren't however, likely to produce them when they're competing on a "lowest bidder" basis.

    Have you noticed that sealed primers and case mouths are getting rare? Most manufacturers have also stopped using lacquer coated cases in favor of the new "improved" self rusting "poly" case coating. The Russians didn't stop doing these things on their own, they stopped doing them because the people buying the ammo told them to so that they could sell it cheaper!
     
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    1000's of rounds with no failures or fouling. I'm happier for it. :))
     
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    No, I wouldn't bother with it in the 6920. If it failed, I'd almost bet my bottom dollar it's because of extraction.

    If you cave, make sure it's in 762x39 and you have an AK nearby.
     
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    The only gun I use Tulammo in is my SKS
     
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    Here is my lowdown on Russian .223 ammo. My AR is a recent model Stag Arns. Have used Wolf, Tula and Ulyanosk. Who knows, they might all be made in the same factory. As far as reliability, they all go bang. I may have had a misfire in the last 3 years, not sure. Jams, no more or less than with brass ammo. Accuracy, does not come close to quality brass ammo (bought or hand loaded). I use the stuff for action rifle shooting which is usually in the 15-75 yard range using Ipsic targets. Works good enough for this purpose.
     
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    How frequently is that?

    What brass ammo?
     
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    Brass ammo: Mainly PMC and my own hand loads (55grain). Jams: maybe once every 10 -20mags. Hard to say. Had a SIG 556 for a couple years. Also no problem with Russian stuff. But remember, every gun is different. Even the same model from the same manufacturer.

    Note: Many times the magazine is the one causing the jam.
     
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    I would consider that an unacceptable frequency of malfunctions and would be sorely disappointed in my rifle or ammo/magazine.
     
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    Hey Warp, reality check here. I shoot action rifle and action pistol several times a month. Usually there are like 20-30 participants with all kinds of ammo and guns. On average I would say 1-3 guys have some kind of malfunction during the competition. And these are people who know what they are doing....
     
  21. Warp

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    Okay?

    I would still consider a jam every 10-20 magazines unacceptable. You may not. Getting that kind of failure rate using PMC Bronze would be especially concerning, to me. I would question the dependability of my rifle.

    BUT my rifle's primary purpose is defensive. For the purposes of a game where your score is all that a malfunctioning rifle can negatively impact that might be perfectly acceptable. I don't know. That is for you to decide, not me.

    This is why I prefer to state rates of malfunctions quantitatively, with as much supporting information as possible (type of rifle, ammo, magazines, specific malfunction, etc), and not a subjective opinion based "acceptable rate of malfunctions", or whatever, that other people don't really know the definition of.
     
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    For a defensive rifle, 10-20 mags worth (whatever round count that equates to) isn't horrible. But, when is that malfunction going to occur? On mag #10, or later?

    Point I'm making is this: If the rifle chokes using steel, but not brass, it's probably ammo related. If it chokes at some point with either, the rifle may suck...at a time when your life hangs by a thread.

    I'm with Warp on this one. My AKs shoot Tula no questions asked, and I don't bother with anything but brass in ARs. This has worked, and I don't change a good thing.
     
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    A box of 9mm Tula cost $12 for 50 rds. It's cheap and it fires. You can get cheap or quality, if you want both start reloading.
     
  24. Warp

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    I think it is.

    I'll be sure to remember your position on this the next time AR15 manufacturers become a point of contention/comparison, though.

    I'm a little under 700 rounds into my new AR15. That's 20+ magazines (at 30 rounds each) without any kind of hiccup whatsoever...and I'd still like to get more through it before really coming to any definitive conclusion. If it had 2 malfunctions (or even 1, honestly) during that time I would be quite unhappy.
     
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    My buddy bought a case of Tula 9mm. Man that must have been the Russian Bugs Bunny factory. Seriously, maybe 10-15 out of every box was a dud.

    OTOH I bought some 9mm labeled "9mm Luger Sport" JSC NOVOSIBIRSK CARTRIDGE PLANT 30A Stantsionnaya Street NOVOSIBIRSK, Russia. Copper plated steel cases, copper plated lead with steel core bullets. Both bullets and primers are sealed. Shoots like +P. No problems.
     
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