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Question about magazines for Smith 422/2213 et al

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Monster Zero, Jun 2, 2019.

  1. Monster Zero

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    I just picked up a Smith 2213, which I believe is the stainless model of the 422. It only comes with one magazine, but I went ahead and got it thinking I could find extra magazines for it here and there...

    Yeah, right. New ones still in the wrapper made back in the 90's are going for well north of $100 at the usual place... which screws up my whole cost calculus if this is the only option available to me, being one who likes to have three, or at least just two magazines.

    However, I AM seeing NEW magazines available for the 422/2206 model. I believe this is the same thing as the 2213, except with a longer grip and a 10-round magazine instead of the eight round magazine found on the 2213.

    I've looked at a disassembly of a 422 and it is described as the same disassembly as the 2213. The magazine catch is located inside the front strap of the grip, and the magazines for both models have an indentation in the front edge that obviously is engaged by this magazine catch.

    So the question is, is the 422 magazine the same as the 2213 magazine, except with a 10-round capacity instead of eight? And, with the magazine catch on the 2213 engage the indentation on the 422 magazine and hold it in place correctly?

    If I have to settle for a 10-round magazine as a second magazine, sticking out the bottom of the grip a short ways, that's no problem. So long as it works, and it can be bought for something reasonable like $33, instead of well north of $100...

    (Somebody needs to get on the stick and start making some new 2213 magazines. Captain Obvious told me to say that.)
     
  2. sparkyfender

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    I feel your pain. I came across a compact version of the 2213 several years ago, and yes, only one magazine, didn't think much about it.

    A couple of months ago, I was thinking I would finally get an extra mag or two for the little Smith, and wow!, super expensive like you say. I was surprised.

    A couple of mags are going to cost about as much as I gave for the gun. Ouch!
     
  3. RUT

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    Which is why I vowed never again to buy a gun with "unobtanium" magazines. :(
     
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    "Somebody needs to get on the stick and start making some new 2213 magazines. Captain Obvious told me to say that.)"

    If there were enough of a market, I am sure somebody would.

    I understand where you are coming from.

    I found a similiar situation when looking for mags for the S&W 22A.

    Love love love the guns but mags are tough to come by and pricey.


    I wonder if Smith & Wesson has some sort of legal protection that prevents companies from making aftermarket mags.
     
  5. Bert W.

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    Not sure about the 2213, but my 422 and my model 41 use the same 10 round magazines.
     
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  6. bannockburn

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    Looking at the factory manual for the Model 422/622/2206/2213/2214 they all appear to be similar in their design with the only difference being in the 8 round and 10 round version components. The only warning listed in the manual is not to use magazines for the Model 41 as they may not latch properly in place.

    I would say you're on the right track with your theory and to try and locate factory magazines for the 422/622/2206 (Midway had them as being out of stock and long overdue), and give them a try. Sure beats some of the prices I found for 2213/2214 magazines (prices ranged from $80 to $150!). Good luck and let us know if they do work out okay!

    I have the same problem with my Beretta Model 70S. Original factory magazines were hard to come by, even when the gun was new nearly 40 years ago! Finally found a factory magazine for a Model 100 that was longer but worked perfectly with my gun's magazine catch. Added a spacer to it from another Beretta magazine and that's how I got a spare magazine for my Beretta!

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  7. Bert W.

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    Nevermind, apples and oranges. You are talking about 8 round magazines.
     

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  8. Monster Zero

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    Yes, thank you, what you've got going there with your really sweet lookin' little Beretta single action is exactly what I had in mind here.

    Just ordered a test magazine for $33... ETA here at my place later this week. I'll let you guys know how it works out... :)
     
  9. bannockburn

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    The Beretta Model 70S has always been one of my favorites and goes along with me on every trip to the range.

    Here's hoping your spare magazine experiment goes well!

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  10. weblance

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    I have a 2213, a 2214, and a Pair of 422s. The longer mag(10, and 12 round) DO INDEED work in the 2213/14.
     
  11. Monster Zero

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    Thanks for your help. I'll let you know sometime after this coming weekend.
     
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    Cool. Thanks for the helpful information.
     
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    Range Report:

    First, the little pistol is fun to shoot. The fixed sights seem to be maybe a bit low for my sensibilities but hey... I can work with it.

    Function is good with the original eight round magazine. Tried the new 41/422 ten round magazine, and yes it does fit and yes it does engage the magazine release correctly just as the eight round does. It sticks out the bottom some, which is maybe an aesthetic issue but hey, I'll take it if it works...

    Bad news is the pistol doesn't feed well with the new magazine. Out of ten rounds, four of them failed to feed because the main return spring did not push them up out of the magazine with enough force. I was able to just tap the back of the slide, and on each failed round that caused the round to go ahead and feed up into the chamber.

    So I'm thinking that either

    A, the pistol has had a lot of rounds shot thru it and the main return spring has lost some strength, or

    B, the new magazine puts a bit more grip on the rounds as they slide up the ramp and just doesn't let some of them thru,

    or,

    C, both of the above.

    So when I got home from the range I loaded the eight round magazine up with Remington high velocity loads, the same ones I had been testing with, and placed the 2213 in the spot I had planned for it. NOT my truck...

    I took the new magazine, got out my little sharpening tool for serrated blades, and worked on the feed lips of the magazine just ever so slightly... just enough to take the black coating off.

    Maybe another range day tomorrow.

    Thanks again to all for your help. This will make a nice little suburban kit gun in time.
     
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  14. bannockburn

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    Not sure what you mean by the main return spring. Are you referring to the pistol's recoil spring, the mainspring for the hammer, or are you saying it's the magazine spring that isn't working right?
     
  15. Monster Zero

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    Recoil spring.
     
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    So the recoil spring works okay with your original 8 round mags but something about the new 10 round mags is holding the rounds up, causing a feeding problem? Hopefully your slight adjustment of the feed lips will fix the problem. Please keep us posted after your next range trip.
     
  17. Monster Zero

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    Thanks, will do.

    Either tomorrow or Sunday.
     
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    Range report: Slight filing of the 10-round magazine feed effected no change. Not surprising, really. I might file on it some more but you know what they say, you can always come back and cut more but you can't put it back on.

    Meanwhile, new recoil spring on order from Wolff. Maybe the old one is just kinda weak and just doesn't quite pull the rounds out. Also leaving the 10-round magazine loaded. Maybe the spring needs to be compressed and broken in some? No malfunctions on the last three rounds...

    Eight round magazine works just fine. So is the glass half full or half empty, notwithstanding the $100 that I've spent on three 10-round magazines?
     
  19. Indigo22

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    My 10 and 12 round magazines work well in my 2214. Not a hick up or a stumble. If your 10 rounders were new they may need to get broken in and dry lubed.
     
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  22. rodinal220

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    S&W discontinued 2213/14 magazines. As you have found out, they go for scalper prices now. S&W also does not support any of these models 422,622,2206 etc . Refrain from dry firing them unless you use snap cap,they can be prone to breaking firing pins.
     
  23. Bert W.

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    Buy some #4-6-8 x 1" sheet rock anchors. The yellow ones, best and cheapest .22 snap caps you can get..
     
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  24. bannockburn

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    What Bert W. said...

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  25. Monster Zero

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    Range report:

    New recoil spring, fires like a champ with both magazines. Had one ftf because of a did round.

    Other than that it functioned just fine. Now I can start working on shooting it.
     
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