Question about Mannlicher stocks

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No. They were originally meant for hunting in the Alps, where the hunter used the rifle as a walking staff. The idea was he could get a better grip on the barrel if the stock came to the muzzle.
 
And, in variable temperature and humidity environments, a strong case could be made that the full length stock will move POI around.

They look great though. I built a Handi Rifle in 454 Casull as a Steutzen. While colloquially we refer to them as "Mannlichers", this is like the Brits calling vacuums "Hoovers". Mannlicher did not invent the full stock. As noted above, their origins are in the Alps where they were used as a support, or, in German, a steutzen (although the eu would be an umlaut):

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As mentioned, they have zero advantage in a hunting rifle. In fact they make accuracy more difficult in my mind. My Ruger RSI in .308 will always put the first 3 shots in .5-.75" using the Hornady SST bullet, however after 3 they start walking badly due to the barrel heating and changing the pressure of the barrel against the stock. I'm lucky if a 5 shot group stays in 1 3/4", so I don't shoot them any more. :)
 
Did those stocks originate in Bavaria? ( a region of Germany). I seem to recall hearing them being referred to as "Bavarian stocks" . Isn't some or all of Bavaria in the Alps? I almost bought a CZ-455 .22 with a full length stock, figuring that the full stock wouldn't change the point of impact on something in 22 LR. But then I wound up with a CZ-455 thumbhole model because the thumbhole was perfectly sized for a proper grip with my hand size. But that full stock model was also very sharp.
 
I like the looks of 'em. I'm guessing you'd bed (rather than float) if there were problems.
For improvised rests, it seems like they'd work better than resting the barrel on something.
 
Balrog said:
I have always hated the way the work Mannlicher is pronounced.
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RPRNY said:
While colloquially we refer to them as "Mannlichers", this is like the Brits calling vacuums "Hoovers". Mannlicher did not invent the full stock.
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Reckon we could call them gurllicers in huntin' camp, or personlicers in mixed company. :p
browningguy said:
As mentioned, they have zero advantage in a hunting rifle. In fact they make accuracy more difficult in my mind. My Ruger RSI in .308 will always put the first 3 shots in .5-.75" using the Hornady SST bullet, however after 3 they start walking badly due to the barrel heating and changing the pressure of the barrel against the stock. I'm lucky if a 5 shot group stays in 1 3/4", so I don't shoot them any more. :)
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It seems like the first shot would be the most important. I'd want something else for laying down suppressing fire.
 
RPRNY

It would have to be "lichers of all the many genders, types, creeds, colors and persuasions that make up the rich tapestry of diversity in our society" to be truly PC. Or Panlichers for short.
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That "Panlicher" sounds a lot like what a German Shepherd does to the pans after you're done cooking with them. How about "Pannlicher" for a more European flavor?
 
I have a Ruger 77 RSI Stainless Steel in .308 Win. It's a 1 MOA rifle with my 180 gr AccuBond handloads, it doesn't extend beyond my head when I'm carrying it slinged,
It's light maneuverable and rustproof (with a bit of oil) and it has gotten the job done on two mule deer. I particularly like the CRF and the 2.5-8x36 Leupy VX3 scope.

Great woods and carrying rifle.

Harry
 
I don't have experience with other brands but there are a bunch of people on RimfireCentral and several here who have CZ full stocks along with other CZs of more conventional styles (Americans, Varmints, Trainers and Luxes). As a general rule, the full stocks are as accurate, and often more so, than the other styles. People can and do speculate as to why, but it's very common for people who have multiple styles to find the full stocks at the top of the list, accuracy wise.

Myself, I have 4 full stocks and 12 of the other styles. My results have mirrored what I wrote above in that some of the full stocks out shoot some of the other style siblings. For example, the full stock 527 below will typically out shoot the American by about a tenth MOA. This is with both chambered in .223, same scope on both guns, both shooting ammo they "like."
 

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I6turbo said:
I don't have experience with other brands there are a bunch of people on RimfireCentral and several here who have CZ full stocks along with other CZs of more conventional styles (Americans, Varmints, Trainers and Luxes). As a general rule, the full stocks are as accurate, and often more so, than the other styles. People can and do speculate as to why, but it's very common for people who have multiple styles to find the full stocks at the top of the list, accuracy wise.
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That has been my experience as well. I have owned several CZ rimfires and currently have 3. My FS is the most accurate of the ones I have had.
 
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I built a Handi Rifle in 454 Casull as a Steutzen ...
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I would love to hear more about this project. Did you build the stock yourself? What did you use for the front sight? What a great way to enhance a utility gun!
 
Legionnaire said:
I would love to hear more about this project. Did you build the stock yourself? What did you use for the front sight? What a great way to enhance a utility gun!
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Here's a bit of a build summary and pics of the building. In retrospect, I should have thinned the forend much more. And while there is an argument to be made about putting lipstick on a pig and creating a rifle that's about as useful as tits on a boar, it was a fun and interesting project. It was a perfectly useful Northeast deer gun and will work for hogs as well, but the added weight has made it less handy and it really wants open sights rather than a scope.

http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=278344&hilit=Mannlicher
 
Thanks for the link. That is very cool! I have a Handi Rifle in .357 mag on the way, but it has the ugly synthetic stock. You have inspired me to think about alternatives!
 
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.... about as useful as tits on a boar....
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As a hog farmer in a prior life, it was important to know that the tit characteristics on a boar are the primary determiner of the tit characteristics on the female offspring. Some female offspring may be retained to become brood sows. In brood sows it's highly important that the tits be aligned properly relative to the centerline of the sow's belly (so that each gets a good supply of milk), spaced evenly (so that the piglets have enough room to nurse side-by-side once they grow a bit), and number at least 12, probably not more than 14 (because a sow can only raise one good healthy pig per good tit). The preceding is all true, not a made up story or internet BS. :)

So, now you know that while it might not matter to most people, there are more useless things than tits on a boar hog. Like a CNN news anchor, for example. :)
 
Full stocks make the rifle a much better club. It also makes the rifle much more pleasant to handle in arctic frozen weather.
 
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I love the looks of the Ruger RSI's, both the 18.5" M-77's and the 20" Number ones. These barrel lengths are just right (IMHO) for the Ruger-designed full-length stocks.

I bought a red-pad M-77 RSI in .243 several years ago, and with the 2x7 Leupold scope I mounted it'll shoot 1" groups with Win or Rem 100 grainers when I do my part...
 
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