Question about shooting the Shockwave.

[Phydeaux642]

Others with more knowledge can tell us if once you put the 18" barrel AND shoulder stock on, if you you can legally go back to the birds head grip and 14" barrel or not. The definitions of what a shotgun is is different than the rifle and pistol definitions.

Not legally. Stupid rule IMHO, but there ya go. I changed mine to a 20" barrel with stock and sold the other parts just so no one can try and hang me on that.

 

[12Bravo20]

Not legally. Stupid rule IMHO, but there ya go. I changed mine to a 20" barrel with stock and sold the other parts just so no one can try and hang me on that.

That is what I thought but didn't want to say so without being 100% sure. And yes that rule makes absolutely no sense at all. Especially the rulings on being able to go from a pistol to a rifle and back to a pistol. The Shockwave and TAC14 fall into the "other" or "firearm" classification since they were designed to be shot with both hands yet never intended to be used with a stock.

 

[KevininPa]

That is what I thought but didn't want to say so without being 100% sure. And yes that rule makes absolutely no sense at all. Especially the rulings on being able to go from a pistol to a rifle and back to a pistol. The Shockwave and TAC14 fall into the "other" or "firearm" classification since they were designed to be shot with both hands yet never intended to be used with a stock.

Heh-heh, silly you! Expecting the federal government to make sense!

 

[12Bravo20]

Heh-heh, silly you! Expecting the federal government to make sense!

Oh believe me I DO know that what the federal government does never makes sense. I retired from the US Army.

 

[KevininPa]

LOL! Roger that buddy! Only did four in Uncle Sam's Yacht Club and learned that quickly. Especially when I was a Supply P.O. for the Division. Never ask why we're paying $125 from the GSA , when we can pay $25 with an Outside Contractor chit at a local hardware store. Wasn't at that job long. Asked too many questions. They put me back working at my rate instead . Fine with me. That's where I wanted to be.

 

[tws3b2]

I guess I put that the wrong way. I should have said, The whole idea of the shock wave Is ridiculous. From the grip to the ridiculously short barrel. Why??? Some kind of macho he-man thing??

 

[12Bravo20]

I guess I put that the wrong way. I should have said, The whole idea of the shock wave Is ridiculous. From the grip to the ridiculously short barrel. Why??? Some kind of macho he-man thing??

If you take the time to learn how to use a firearm such as the Shockwave, they are very handy and do have their uses. I shoot mine with arms extended like I was taught and have no issues shooting it or hitting my intended targets. They make a nice compact package that is easy to maneuver in tight spaces. It has nothing to do with being "macho" or "he man".

If you don't like them, then don't own one. But don't be negative towards the firearm or those that do own them.

They were never meant to be shot from the hip.

 

[BoBo522]

I guess I put that the wrong way. I should have said, The whole idea of the shock wave Is ridiculous. From the grip to the ridiculously short barrel. Why??? Some kind of macho he-man thing??

I like it *because* it is short. It’s a way to get something like a short-barreled shotgun without going through the NFA headache. I’ve tried it with a brace but I prefer the birds head grip.

Certainly it’s not for everyone, but there’s no need to cast aspersions if you personally don’t like it.

 

[jdh]

And make it a twenty.

Got one.
Given equal level loads there is not that much difference in felt recoil given the lighter weight of the smaller framed twenty.

 

[Sistema1927]

I guess I put that the wrong way. I should have said, The whole idea of the shock wave Is ridiculous. From the grip to the ridiculously short barrel. Why??? Some kind of macho he-man thing??

When you find yourself in a hole it is best to quit digging.

Just who in the dickens are you to determine what guns are appropriate for others?

 

[KevininPa]

Got one.
Given equal level loads there is not that much difference in felt recoil given the lighter weight of the smaller framed twenty.

Huh. Didn't realize that. I do know that I had single shots in 12 and 20. Way preferred shooting the 20. I don't have experience with the Shockwave. Though I did have a Mossberg 500 with a birds head Speedfeed grip. With a little practice, it's not difficult to hip shoot cross the room distance. I keep toying around with the idea of getting the twenty. Mainly because I have a lot of 20 guage laying around with no shotgun.

 

[12Bravo20]

I have shot the 12 and 20 gauge versions without any issues but I went with the 410 version since I already have a 410 500 with an 18" barrel and I wanted to make sure my fiancé could handle either one since she is petite and has MS.

Plus I am already setup to reload 410 shells to include 5 pellet 3" 000 buckshot loads

 

[Dragonfly]

I picked up a 12 ga. Shockwave last year—I already had a regular 590 and wanted something a little different for range fun, mostly. I only had 00 buckshot around the house for my first range visit so I was a little apprehensive so I wore thin work gloves with rubberized palms to provide more grip. The gun certainly bucks but it was not as bad as I was expecting.

 

[nipprdog]

Got one.
Given equal level loads there is not that much difference in felt recoil given the lighter weight of the smaller framed twenty.

I respectfully disagree. There is only 1/4 pound difference in weight. I've shot both, and there is a significant difference in felt recoil. I've put a few hundred rounds through my 20 by holding it out in front of my face and aiming it. I wouldn't do it with a 12, though many do.

 

[12Bravo20]

Here is one video that explains how to properly shoot a pistol grip only shotgun. This is also how I was always trained to shoot these types of firearms.

 

[jdh]

I respectfully disagree. There is only 1/4 pound difference in weight. I've shot both, and there is a significant difference in felt recoil. I've put a few hundred rounds through my 20 by holding it out in front of my face and aiming it. I wouldn't do it with a 12, though many do.

Felt recoil is also subjective and technique dependent. One of our officers broke her nose shooting a 500 PGO with bird shot because she didn't listen to instructions, for example. Another one cussed me because he decided he wanted to shoot my 870 loaded with 3" magnums without asking first. He was used to qualifying with low brass bird shot and didn't anticipate the full effect. I can't begin to image what he would have done if he had picked up my current Yard protection shotgun, an 11-87 Supermag with 3.5" buck shot. Ahh, The good ole days.

 

[halfmoonclip]

I've reached the age where my hands and I don't really enjoy recoil, so have avoided the birds head shotties, no matter how badass they look. And they do look really kewl.
An AR or PCC makes a better home defense gun, but only IMHO...realize the short shotties work for some of you, and have at it.
Just not me, mon!
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