Question about the AR in this picture

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  1. cosine

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    I've a couple of questions: Is it even possible to put a magazine in place backwards? Also, a poster on another forum opined that the rifle is actually an AR-10 with a "reverse banana clip." Never heard of such a thing. Do magazines that curve the "wrong" way actually exist?

    Ongoing discussion here at APS.
     
  2. dispatch55126

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    Twin clip and the second one is reversed?
     
  3. ID_shooting

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    Yup, two mags, one is upside down. She watched too many Rambo movies.
     
  4. AJAX22

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    Looks too small to be an AR10... would a waffle mag like that actually hang in the magwell backwards?

    seems like it would be a jam o matic if they actually made a mag like that.
     
  5. MaterDei

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    Too long for a standard 30 round magazine. In the army we would tape two magazines together, shoot one up, flip it and shoot the other. That is what she has.
     
  6. Dionysusigma

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    That's what I'm thinking. The pleats (or whatever they're called) on the side of the magazine don't line up (look about 1 1/4" down the mag well), so it's gotta be two mags.

    Whoever said that is a complete moron. Even if it was an AR-10, the mag is way too skinny.

    Is it just me, or is her elbow too high? :scrutiny:
     
  7. EvisceratorSrB

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    Yes, apparently she has what scientists are now calling "High Elbow Syndrome" or HES ;)
     
  8. Kontiki

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    I witnessed a female do this at the range (I was a GM in the Navy). She proceeded to whack on the bottom of the magazine, further wedging it in the lower until she brought it to me wondering why the mag wouldn't go in. Man what a p.i.t.a. that was. In this photo I'd bet that she's done the same while loading that weapon under the stress of the situation. Also, the mag will not fit in very far if you put it in backwards, hence the length it is protruding from the weapon. You would also notice tape/strap/plastic of some sort if it was strapped to another mag so I think this qualifies as the moron of the week.
     
  9. damyankee

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    Gotta agree with Kontiki, no tape or strap visible and also she is sportin a chicken wing! :evil:


    edit: I am sending this to my bro in Iraq, he could use a good laugh.
     
  10. Brian Williams

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    The Chicken wing/High elbow is not a problem, I tend to shoot like that and do quite well. The Mag in backwards is the problem.
     
  11. DoubleTapDrew

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    That's as nice as the old HK ad with the bullets loaded in the mag backwards! Doesn't appear to be "jungle clipped" (is that what it was called in the vietnam era?) since the mags are supposed to be curved the same direction when you do that.
    What's the rest of the title? "One man injured in Majorly hilarious tap-rack-bang scene, nearly dies from laughter"
     
  12. El Tejon

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    The officer has the magazine upside down and backwards. The magazine appears to be empty. Apparently, one can "mess with Texas" in this city.:D

    Why is she standing full value numbnuts to the threat? Is this a publicity shot for the Chief/politicians? A staged photo after-the-fact so the policicrats can point to the use of female officers? "See, females can be muy macho too!"

    I would speculate that a supervisor gave her the weapon (which she is untrained in) and had her pose for a soccermommie vote shot.
     
  13. taliv

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    does anybody actually recommend chicken wing?
    i'm not saying you can't shoot well like that, but is there an advantage to it? theoretically, i don't think there's any way the weapon could be as well supported like that. maybe, just maybe, due to bone structure, a weak-armed person could move the gun faster left and right by turning their torso and letting their bones do the work instead of muscles. i'm really talking out my ass though here. like i said, does any school teach this as a technique with merit?


    also, there's something not quite right with her finger. it's good to see people observing rule #3, but if she's laying it alongside the receiver, then her finger is longer than mine, and i'm 6'5" with very long digits. i'm guessing she's actually got her finger pointing in a rather awkward 45 degree angle from the barrel, for reasons unbeknownst to me
     
  14. FTF

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    That picture is either photochopped by the paper (it does and has happened), or that chick is totally inept as well as a freak of nature. That mag is in upside down and backwards, she has a jacked up shooting posture and her finger is disproportionately long compared to the rest of her body.

    Someone should investigate... someone with a good scan of the pic and a excellent knowledge of photoshop or another program that deals with photographic manipulation. That finger is a dead giveaway to me... and the magazine? :barf: Just look at it! The magazine is just the tip of the iceberg! Look at her forearm from her the elbow all the way to where she is holding the foregrip... it's either broken/bent or extremely thin in parts or she's a contortionist.
     
  15. dispatch55126

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    ...so she has freakishly long fingers. The chicken wing usually occurs when the buttstock is too long for the shooter IMO.
     
  16. browningguy

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    Yes, lot's of people recommend the chicken wing,if you want to shoot the most accurately that you can. Go look at any long range rifle competitions, everyone is shooting that style to one degree or another. Something about physiology and disconnecting small muscle motion etc etc. I don't really understand why, but it is more accurate.

    Keeping your arms in close is only useful when you are barging through doorways, very few people have to do that on a regular basis, but it sure looks tacticool doesn't it. 30 years ago when I was on a weapons team in the USN it was useful for getting through hatches and running down passageways, but I haven't used it since.
     
  17. taliv

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    browningguy, i've been regularly attending HP matches for a couple years and even went to camp perry last year, and i don't recall ever seeing anyone use the chicken wing. everyone attempts to rest their elbow on their hip or tuck it in


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    although i just googled for some images and found one guy who shoots chicken wing
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  18. DoubleTapDrew

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    Is that some weird kind of optic or is that guy part cyborg? Looks like the Terminator's brother.
    Now that I look at the newspaper pic after reading FTF's post it must be photochopped. Her fingers look like she's part Arsineo Hall, and it looks from the angle of her left forearm she may have been holding the front of the mag well but someone decided to change it. Looks like they might have left a bit of flesh tone on the front of the mag well.
    I give her only a 3.5 on the Tactical scale (which goes from 1: Totally tacticless like Jed Clampett, to 11: totally uber-ninja like the guys in the Extreme Shock ammo ads), haha.
     
  19. kungfuhippie

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    not her finger, wierd lighting. She's not obeying rule #3, unless her little hand is only on the pistol grip and fingers are below the guard. Probably photoshopped. Making it low resolution/blurry is a good way of hiding sub-par work.
     
  20. swingset

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    Chicken wing works really well in CQB. Try it sometime, and get back to me on how well your 2x2 movement worked out, and how many door jambs you nailed.

    :evil:
     
  21. enkindler

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    I think it's a stacked mag but the picture is too low quality to see if it is.

    What is wrong with chicken wing? I was always taught to put the rifle in the pocket, for me the pocket goes away if I have my arm down, when the pocket goes away my shouldering consistency goes away and aiming time goes way up. With back pressure from my left arm and the butt in the pocket I support zero weight with my trigger arm. I also agree that you can point/track better with your arm out, more range of motion before you have to change your stance.

    I'm guessing a lot of it depends on if you grew up shooting at paper or rabbits.
     
  22. Dr.Rob

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    Uma Thurman has freakishly long fingers... look at her hand on the forearm, same long fingers.

    As for the magazine, I say post-action staged photo... she's NOT making use of cover.
     
  23. swingset

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    If you're at the range shooting NRA targets, chicken wing is fine if that's what works for you. In a tactical, urban or house-clearing environment, it's dangerous and unwieldy. Try it. Grab an AR, with body armor on (that erases that comfortable pocket), and start clearing tight rooms and buildings. And, then, while you're behind cover reaching around to shoot, let that chicken wing stick out there in open space to get shot at.

    Chicken wing is a horrible posture for real world shooting, which is what that woman is doing.
     
  24. bthest86

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    Not unless they make bullets that are "wrong" way.:neener:
     
  25. Zach S

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    This reminds me of the NYPD officer that had the aimpoint mounted backwards on his AR.
     
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