Question for the country boys

[David E]

I think it should be a requirement,

I don't. Is it a good idea? Absolutely. Tell me, what other inalienable rights require training before you can exercise them?

people think I'm going against the 2nd amendment here just because I'm saying this one thing. It's odd..

What's odd is that you don't see the huge can of worms you want to open. To repeat: who sets the standard? To spell it out more for you, let's say the anti-gun crowd (who are art enough to not call themselves that, understand they can't repeal concealed carry in your state, so instead, they try to regulate it "for the safety of the children." they'll cite some shooting where no CCW license holders were involved and recruit you, a "pro-gunner for responsible carry," to pitch their shtick. "You should have enough training to put your bullets where they should go, etc. it's the responsible thing to do." The law passes, thanks in part to your tireless efforts. The antis set the qualification standard high, after setting an exorbitant fee for this extra "responsible training." Fewer people want to cough up the money, fewer still are able to pass. Those that do must prove they maintain their proficiency by practicing once a week shooting 100 rds of factory ammo. Then, in one year, they'll need to recertify at another high priced "class" that inexplicably raised the qualification standard.

It's an old tactic of the antis: don't be against something, just make it cost more or make it more of a hassle than people think its worth.

but what is the issue with people having more training?

The issue is, you want to REQUIRE it

 

[Renegade Ziggy]

Brother I'm just a hard working country boy that thinks everyone should have guns and everyone should be trained with them. That's all..everyone CALM down lol. I'm not big brother trying to take away your guns. I understand where you all are coming from and I will agree. But I still stand behind my thinking that CCDW classes need to be more hands on and SD oriented and that people should bring it upon themselves to get better. I started a thread in the legal forums if anyone wants to continue this discussion (God I hope not).

 

[MachIVshooter]

Your sarcasm is noted, and has no place in this conversation.

It wasn't sarcasm. No, no; It was definitely an accusation. New member, low post count and spouting anti rhetoric is a big 'ol flag.

If you fancy yourself a moderate who believes in "reasonable gun control measures", you'll have to look elsewhere for an agreeable audience. THR promotes responsible gun ownership in the true spirit of the second amendment.

 

[David E]

I'm not big brother trying to take away your guns.

No, you're just a guy that would help facilitate that under the guise of so-called "responsibility".

 

[David E]

Back to the topic!

One thing that I garnered from my years on the farm is that for a gun to be used at a moments notice (as on the aforementioned possum) it needs to be handy, as in, on your person. This is where comfort collides with power, mandating compromises.

 

[Renegade Ziggy]

No, you're just a guy that would help facilitate that under the guise of so-called "responsibility".

And you are a very ignorant man pretending to know so much, that's fine, you go on and believe that no one should have any training what so ever to carry a firearm and I'll believe the opposite. We both already know who's right don't we. Have a good one pal.

For the record I've yet to have anyone explain to me what the issue is with having ccdw contain more training then what is offered now. The untrained people must be those of you having an issue in this thread. Hmmmm..

 

[David E]

For the record I've yet to have anyone explain to me......

Multiple people have tried to in this thread, but you won't have any of it.

You have repeatedly failed to answer my simple question: "Who gets to set the standard?"

You remind me of the 1971 Earth Day Pogo comic strip: "We have met the enemy......and he is us!"

 

[Vern Humphrey]

You guys can't sit there with a straight face and tell me you don't see anything wrong with a person carrying a firearm open or concealed, who hasn't had proper training.

So show us the problem!

Show us where states that allow open carry with no training have more accidental shootings than states that require training.

 

[doc2rn]

Where I grew up, between Topeka and Auburn Kansas, I always carried a 30-30 Winchester in the truck. Nowadays I wouldn't be caught without my S&W mod 10 on my hip at the very least. Old faithful is right there too, but the times they are a changing.

You guys can't sit there with a straight face and tell me you don't see anything wrong with a person carrying a firearm open or concealed, who hasn't had proper training.

We all had to start somewhere. I like open carry and invite everyone coming over to visit to do so.

 

[Vern Humphrey]

When I was a boy on the old Circle H Ranch, I carried a .30-30 in the saddle boot every day. I shot many a deer, coyote, feral dog and many another critter with that Winchester.

 

[wrs840]

Pardon me for ignoring the side squabble re: "training".

Yes, I carry full-sized or mid-sized autos in the paved world, and almost always switch to a revolver on the farm. S&W 637 2-1/2"bbl in my pocket at minimum, M64 3" in a pancake as a favorite, M65 3" sometimes. If I'm going deep woods, it's probably a 4" M64 or a Rossi 971, because these are wonderfully functional and serve the purpose. Farm/woods long-guns for truck and tractor-cabs tend to be Marlin 336s with peeps, Mossberg pumps, and/or Mini-14s for varmint control.

There's a pinned-barrel 3" S&W M36 IWB on me right now, because it's new to me, and feels about right for Sunday night typing-on-a-computer duty.

 

[David E]

When afield, as opposed to on the farm, when I'm not expecting to do any specific shooting, my main concern is 2-legged threats, so it's never below 9mm/.357 for me as an only gun.

Dang, I need to get out in the woods!

 

[grock5k]

I always carry my S&W Bodyguard .380 in a de Santos pocket holster. I have my 1911 by the nightstand and I carry it IWB when I head to the city. When im out in the woods I carry my Sig Mosquito to plink and squirrels and other things.

 

[Malamute]

I'll carry lighter guns and calibers when not up on the mountain. This is all relative, lighter is 44 spl (Smith 24) instead of mag, or 45 Colt Ruger with standardish level loads instead of stouter ones. Bears have expanded their range and can be literally anywhere, just not very likely in the open country, at least in the daytime, and not so much in the middle of winter, Still, no guarantees, just what's more likely,....bears have been seen in broad daylight in the open country, and in the middle of winter. Nobody bothered to tell the bears what the rules are, so they just do whatever they want to. Not much real trouble with them, but things have happened. A few people mugged, a few killed. Pays to pay attention, and be prepared.

The 44 spl has some Keith loads either in it or handy if I have lighter level loads in it.

 

[Art Eatman]

Yes, training is desirable, but that's not the topic of this thread. The topic has to do with your selection of a carry-gun with varying circumstance.

If you want to argue training and all that, take it to PM or Email.

 

[SouthernYankee]

Always got a Beretta .22lr in my pocket & two bull mastiffs behind me, around the house, property or maybe quick trip into town. If I go to one of the local cities (hour or so away) I always CC a Kimber .45 and maybe my border terrier.

 

[hso]

It happens quite often

No, it doesn't. The Department of Justice and CDC statistics for shootings show no such "problem". Being afraid of something doesn't actually make it a problem. It is a problem when there is a statistically significant risk of it happening.

Dragging unrelated mass shootings into a debate about open carry "problems" is a sophomoric red herring that only makes you appear to have no grasp on the topic or willfully trying to distract from the unsupported argument you're presenting.

Most people owning and carrying firearms in this country have zero training. Should they get training in how to use a firearm? Certainly they should. Do they need to just so they can carry? No and there is no data that indicates they represent a threat to you or me enough to force this training. The vast majority of defensive firearms uses don't ever result in someone being shot, much less someone being shot inadvertently.

You've taken a personal concern that has motivated you to train and turned it into a fear of others that haven't. That isn't a public safety problem even though it has become a personal problem for you.

 

[thecarfarmer]

City boy chiming in...

...leaving aside political questions, my EDC is a Glock 21. And, I go hiking most weekends, when I carry my... G21.

For what it's worth, I have a CPL, WA is an open carry state, (but here on the west side of the state, it's a recipe for meeting cops). The gun prints some, even under untucked mechanics' shirts - I don't really care much. It could just as easily be a holstered VOM or insulin pump.

We have some bear in the foothills of the Cascades and Olympics, but I usually hike in fairly well-traveled areas; we have some coyotes and cats, too. I'm much more likely to meet 2 legged vermin than 4, so I don't worry about carrying more than my .45.

Now, BTTT for the OP's worthy question...

-Bill

 

[thecarfarmer]

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I try not to have a "gun of the day" for any kind of social gun...I would prefer familiarity over style

Quoted For Truth!

-Bill