Questionable Family Hunting Traditions?

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I have a neighbor who asked another neighbor if he could shoot a deer from his property to the other's. We all live on 1 to 4 acres and the shooter would be aiming directly at the the other's home only a couple hundred yards away!!

Some people are crazy AND stupid AND selfish AND careless AND...
 
Very seldom is it a matter of life and death.
Today this is true. It hasn't been too many generations ago that it was kill what you could find WHEN you can find it or starve. All of which has nothing to do with what the OP is talking about.
 
Robin Hood! Ain't he the guy that gave other peoples money (not his own) to the poor. Sounds like a politician!
 
they use a rifle for bow-rifle-muzzle loader seasons.
Where i lived, that will get your vehicle confiscated, your weapons confiscated, a lifetime ban on hunting for all involved, loss of game already taken, a fine and prison time (not jail, prison)

Personally, I don't think that is harsh enough - the poacher should be hung
What?

I'm totally against poaching, don't get me wrong. But we're talking about animals here, not people. Capital punishment for killing an animal in a humane way? I can see it for people who go out and torture animals to death for fun, but for hunting out of season? You gotta be freakin kidding me.

Even prison is totally blowing the situation out of proportion. Putting people who hunt out of season in prison with murderers and child-rapists, and you think that isn't enough?
 
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Where I live you can legally shoot food year round ( HOGS ) so if you are hungry there is no excuse for breaking the law.
If you are doing it for the thrill or to get a leg up on the competition you deserve to lose your right to hunt.
Yes my father and countless other members of my extended family hunted year round it is how they survived and viewed as more of a chore than a sport. In this day and age it is no longer necessary to either poach or grow your food in a garden. I hear a lot of people whining about people wanting handouts but at least they no longer need to risk arrest to feed the family.
I have no children but have taught several youngsters to hunt and fish you can bet that they respect and follow the laws. I will not tolerate poachers on my land or anywhere else. If you really must advance or extend your season kill all the hogs you want.
 
Where I live you can legally shoot food year round ( HOGS ) so if you are hungry there is no excuse for breaking the law.
Contrary to popular belief,hogs are not everywhere. There are many states that are overrun with the beasts but I have to travel over 100 miles just for the unlikely chance to find even one. "Just kill a hog if you're hungry" doesn't work if you don't have any.
 
they guy who owns property next to us shoots turkey year round. there are no shortage of turkey there,they are every where around our property. I dont mind, its his land he can do what he wants.

Id even probably do the same if I lived on my property like he does, but for me its a cross 3 state drive.
--Geez, whats the matter with people. Just because the animals live on his property doesn't give him the right to break the law. That type of thinking is the problem. If you are that damned hungry sell the guns and buy food.
 
they guy who owns property next to us shoots turkey year round. there are no shortage of turkey there,they are every where around our property, I dont mind

--Geez, whats the matter with people. Just because the animals live on his property doesn't give him the right to break the law. That type of thinking is the problem.

+1.


I dont mind, its his land he can do what he wants.


I assume then you would also condone him illegally dumping toxic waste next to your property line since it's his land and he can do what he wants? What about him choosing not to pay property taxes? Remember, it's his land and you don't mind.

As HGUNHNTR pointed out, owning a piece of property does not give you the right to poach. If the state says you control the animals on your property so be it. But if the state says you must follow the rules like everyone else and if you don't, you are just as big a dirtball as any other violator. It always amazes me the amount of folks here on "The High Road" that condone breaking the law. You wanna violate or support those that do, fine, just do us law abiding folks a favor and keep it to yourselves. Otherwise you make us all look like a bunch of "Bubbas".
 
Bobson, that's known as "Keyboard Kommando-itis, and is best ignored. That's sometimes difficult...

BS -I feel that strongly about poaching - poachers are no different than other who rape this country in one form or another and they SHOULD be hung

If YOU Art, as a Moderator, cannot strongly add your voice to enforce the laws, especially as mods here silence things, what is left? Poaching is WRONG - it is killing illegally, as such, the person doing such should lose it all - or you do nothing but support PETA, Brady and all of their ilk
 
Poaching is what white trash do to entertain themselves. It is morally and legally objectionable and should be punished severely. The bonus is that they give all hunters and gun owners a bad reputation. You wonder why the liberal left is successful in portraying all law abiding gun owners as armed bumpkins? -Yep you got it, because of crap like this that goes on all over the place.

Hanging them? Come on oneounce, sure it is extremely objectionable behavior, but hanging? Not going to go there with you bud, but in general we agree on our measure of distaste.

No, no-one in my family poaches out of season as "tradition".
 
You'll only need to hang ONE, that will be enough to get the measure across - if you think it too harsh, then confiscate EVERYTHING - it is amazing how things stop when the penalty is severe enough

We have a serious crime issue in this country - why? because the penalties are not severe enough or even enforced - either enforce the laws and severely, or don't bother

Sorry, this is one of my pet peeves with gun owners - because as you say - the BS actions of some white trash slobs make every other one of look like them
 
If YOU Art, as a Moderator, cannot strongly add your voice to enforce the laws, especially as mods here silence things, what is left? Poaching is WRONG - it is killing illegally, as such, the person doing such should lose it all - or you do nothing but support PETA, Brady and all of their ilk

So if you don't believe someone should be killed for taking a game animal 12 hours ahead of an arbitrary date set by the government than you are automatically an animal rights activist, and an anti-gun activist? Gotcha.
 
@oneounceload, if hunting out of season fuels liberal fires, imagine what a "hang them all" knee jerk reaction tells them about gun owners. I'd say it would make them want to fight harder to remove weapons from people such as us. I am STRONGLY against poaching. But I'm just as strongly against spewing crap that suggests human life is worth less than ANYONE's ideology, even if I agree with the basic idea. Stiff and enforced fines work wonders, as some have said.
All that said, I had an interesting conversation with a game warden when I called to complain about all the poaching that was ruining bow season for the law abiding hunters in my area a few years ago. (gun shots get deer so shy they won't even approach bow range in anything similar to a clear enough area for a shot, and poachers were firing constantly all around me) He said, essentially, that there were so many poachers and so few officers, that they could not do anything about it. He told me, quite frankly, that my best option was to get my gun and put some meat in the freezer and he wouldn't be visiting my area. I didn't, but perhaps the problem is enforcement and the resources to improve it.
OP, I don't have family with those types of traditions, but I know plenty of people who assume all deer seasons were created equally, manner of taking is just a suggestion to them.
 
Wow! From this thread I've learned a lot. I've learned that many on here have no problem killing other humans for an infraction of a day. I think we maybe ought to kill people for traffic infractions as well.
I've learned that poeple no longer need to eat meat they could harvest for themselves. Everyone is able to buy all the food they need. (Personally) If someone is eating it, I think that is good enough, most of laws are for our goverment to make more money anyways, it isn't a moral issue.
I've learned that liberals are that way because not everyone agrees on what the government arbitrarily says is wrong.

Aren't there bigger hills to die on? Someone shooting a deer to eat is a crime equal to rape, child molestation, child pornography? Are you serious?
 
It's poaching and if I had proof, I'd turn them in.

I knew a guy once who, as a 14 year old, fed his family with poached deer. I helped him. Your family members? I'd turn their asses in instantly and would laugh my ass off when the judge passed sentence.
 
I still can't understand the "go get welfare instead of doing for yourself comments." These are the same people who complian about the welfare mentality. I have been in that postion and I will be the first to tell you that if my family is down and out, I WILL MAKE MEAT!!!! You go get your welfare!

Now if your family is poaching just for fun.....well I don't think thats right.
 
The whole issue of poaching versus hunting when you want to, is, in my view, a question of how much freedom/authority you've ceded to the state and what the impact is on the common resources. There are good reasons for hunting seasons/regulations, mostly to do with preservation of game stocks. For some game, in some areas, this makes very good sense. In others, to quote Mr. Brumble, "... the law is a ass."

There are states where the number of deer is only limited by starvation. That is, they are so plentiful, they overwhelm the vegetation needed to sustain them. I've read that nation-wide, there are 1.1 MILLION deer-vehicle collisions a year, and that there are more deer in America now than when Christopher Columbus set foot on the continent. It's easy to understand why. We've eliminated most of the predators. Wolves no longer keep deer populations in check. With sufficient food, deer populations can reportedly double every two to three years, so what top predator is going to do the job? Chronic "wasting disease" in deer has been linked to the hyper-dense deer populations that have arisen in the past 50 years. Deer dying of disease is somehow an improvement over humans culling the herd for food?

With that in mind, is the state acting to preserve a communal resource? Or enforcing antiquated tickey-tack laws as a source of bedevilment, oppression and revenue? Deer in America today are so numerous that they are beginning to have an adverse ecological effect on the forests. http://www.npr.org/2011/06/15/137192604/what-does-more-deer-mean-for-forests

The question of "legal" versus "illegal" is quite different and separate from "moral" versus "immoral"... or even "right" versus "wrong".

Subsistence hunting of deer shouldn't even be regulated given the current deer stocks. The same can be said of some migratory birds. Habitat deprivation is a much bigger impact on most bird populations than hunting. (Perhaps THAT should be regulated better?)

In the early 1900s, it was the commercial hunting that depleted deer, ducks and geese. Ducks, for example, were hunted with machine guns and punt guns. A single shot might take out as many as 50 ducks on the water! Facing that sort of pressure, it's not surprising that many species declined.

But today, in an era where the number of hunters is declining, game stocks are breeding themselves to the point of overwhelming food supplies and diseases arise as a proximate result of gross overpopulation, many game laws are simply out-of-date and counter-productive. In short, the state hasn't kept up with the times, and the hunting season laws are not only failing in their purpose - they are leading to massive destruction - of habitat and eventually through starvation and disease, the herds they are meant to protect.

It's clear from the posts here that a lot of you are totally ignorant of the facts - so do some checking.

In law, you have the concepts of "malum in se" and "malum prohibitum", that is, a thing that is inherently wrong (like raping a 2-year-old) versus a thing that is only wrong because it's "prohibited" (like hunting on a Friday when the season doesn't open until Saturday). In general, society approves of laws regarding the former, while laws that fall into the second category must be viewed with a jaundiced eye unless you are one of the stupid yuks who doesn't value freedom and who thinks the state can do no wrong.

As for the "legal and legitimate helping hand and ... free food" - you've got your brain wired sideways. That "free food" is paid for with MY TAX MONEY. While you condemn self-help through procurement of a plentiful natural resource, you seem to applaud government-sponsored theft of my earnings.

You think hunting early is less moral than theft?

As for nutrition, you don't get much better than venison. Its lower fat content is actually better for you than that fatty hamburger you eat from that hormone-saturated cow.

As for what's criminal - I think the government confiscating my income by threat of force to hand it off to someone else in the form of "free food" is far more pernicious than a person providing for themselves by hunting an overstocked game resource. But that approach doesn't satisfy the government's need to make us reliant on the government - good little slaves, beholding to their every asinine law.

So what's REALLY the "right way"?

Suffice to say, if government is the answer, it's likely a very stupid question. I think the "right way" is the way that preserves the communal resource with the least possible action of government... one that doesn't involve government theft from one person to benefit another.
 
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stuff like that used to go on at our camp all the time. What stopped it was my brother in law and me. We got everyone at camp together and said if it happened again we were both done with the camp. i grew up in a violating household. My dad shot deer to put meat on the table as at that time we had 6 kids and little money. Not one guy that hunts our camp is out of work or doesnt have an income high enough that they cant afford food for there family and i just wont put up with it any more. No more shooting before season and no more tagging deer with other peoples tags or having wifes and kids buy tags just to shoot more deer. I told them i do legal crop damage shooting before season and if its venison they want id give them a deer. Funny thing is none of the ones that violated has ever asked me for a deer. Bottom line is they just wanted to shoot them. What put me over the edge with it was a nephew who shot a deer and tagged it with his younger brothers tag so he could keep hunting and I found out he rode around with it in his truck for two weeks to show it off and it spoiled!!!!
 
There is a simple and good reason for anti-poaching laws. The system is set up in order that there be an unending supply of surplus game to harvest, based on "normal" or "average" weather conditions over a long period of time, as well as legal hunter-take.

Poaching, then, is basically theft from other hunters, in that their opportunity to take animals in a legal manner is reduced.

As near as I can tell from reading, there is much more poaching for commercial sale than for household need. Killing bears for glands and paws, for example, for sale into Asia. I've read of court cases in Texas where there were some 40 deer-kills by a poaching group, with the meat sold--and it was not their first and only effort. And there have been numerous cases of poaching in national parks, particularly for elk.

The punishment of taking all the equipment used in poaching--guns, vehicles, etc.--seems to be helpful in reducing poaching, along with more serious fines and other restrictions. Jail time and loss of future hunting rights also help.

But the idea of killing a poacher has no place in any sort of rational system as devised by adults.
 
But the idea of killing a poacher has no place in any sort of rational system as devised by adults.

Your opinion, and you are entitled to it

Horse stealing, cattle resulting were/are hanging offenses - basically poaching of private property

Sorry folks, you can justify illegal actions in your minds, this is one I will stand by my view
 
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