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Questions about S&W 45 ACP revolvers

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by .38 Special, Jul 5, 2008.

  1. .38 Special

    .38 Special Senior Member

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    So I've taken delivery of one of the Model 22 Thunder Ranch guns. This is the first 45 ACP revolver I've had, and I need some advice about moon clips, etc.

    1) Is there consensus as to the "best" moon clips?

    2) Who makes the "best" demooning tool?

    3) Are "re-mooners" useful, and if so, which style works well?

    TIA!
     
  2. Just Jim

    Just Jim Senior Member

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    This is just my opinion, Ranch Products makes the best moon clips for all around use. There are several types of demooners and I like the one Ranch sells for traveling (Wear it around my neck when hunting) but there are better ones for the range.

    I own a remooner and seldom use it.

    jj

    Ranch makes all the moonclips for Smith&Wesson.
     
  3. Old School

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    Can acp revolvers be fired without the clip in a pinch?
     
  4. bluetopper

    bluetopper Senior Member

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    Taurus's can........not sure about Smiths.
     
  5. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

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    Yes, generally.

    All the old ones with the hammer mounted firing pins worked perfectly without clips.

    The new guns with the frame mounted firing pins may be iffy, if the FP is shorter then normal, or the headspace is excessive due to short brass, worn gun, etc.

    rcmodel
     
  6. .38 Special

    .38 Special Senior Member

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    Modern Smiths can. You just have to punch out the empties with a pencil or somesuch.

    I have heard that some of the older Smiths and Colts (1917s) can fail to fire without the clips, but have no personal experience.

    <edit> After having just read rcmodel's above post, all I can say is "Ain't the internet grand?" :p
     
  7. Shade00

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    All I know is that I want one. Post some pictures and a range report when you get your gun!
     
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    The gun is in hand, but will be heading straight off to the gunsmith to fix the unbelievably bad DA pull. When it gets back I'll have some fake ivory grips and Tyler T-grip adapters for it. Then we'll see about pics!
     
  9. xring44

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    You're going to love the ,45 ACP revolver, I have a S&W 25-2 that is superbly accurate, it can be fired without the moon clips, I lighten up on the crimp a tad and normally the emptys will fall out. I also have a .45 ACP in a Ruger Blackhawk, its also very accurate and requires little to no crimp or it will push the cartridge far enough forward to have failures to fire,

    I have a home made de-mooner and have never owned a re-mooner, never thought it necessary.
     
  10. Sistema1927

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    I thank you folks for your input. I did end up making a demooner out of some old tubing, and it works well.

    I am still curious about the different brands of clips. I see steel and plastic, and I see ones with cutouts in the "fingers" and ones without.

    Experiences?
     
  13. Dave Markowitz

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    I have a 25-2 and a 625-8JM. I mostly use .45 AR loads in both. When I use .45 ACP, I don't usually use a clip. They work fine without. I did put in a C&S extended firing pin in the 625 to guarantee good ignition.

    I taper crimp both the .45 ACP and AR. Works fine.
     
  15. machinisttx

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    The very early Colt 1917's featured cylinders that were bored straight through. Colt was too cheap to use the correct chambering reamers. If you try dropping rounds into the cylinder, they will fall straight through. The S&W made guns never suffered from this problem.

    S&W 1917's and their other .45 ACP revolvers will function just fine without moon clips.
     
  16. Master Blaster

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    MY TR22 fires 100% with or without moon clips, the cylinder has a ledge just like the barrel of a semiauto, and thats where the casemouth stops to headspace the round.

    I did have misfires when I tried RIMZ, which are plastic moonclips, it seems they were keeping the rounds from headspacing on the casemouth, and as a result were absorbing the firing pin blow.

    I fixed that problem by throwing the rimz in the trash.
     
  17. Stainz

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    Call Ranch Products - their blued S&W 22/25/625 'clips were ~$30/100 delivered. Get to Wally World - UMC brass cased 230gr FMJ ball ammo - $82/250. Get a .223 ammo box and cut some hardboard layer separators. You can easily get five layers of 21 loaded moonclips - see below. That's my 625JM this AM after 3.5yr & 8k+ rounds. Super fun big bore. Get the Brownell's nutdriver-style demooner - no scissors-style has held up long (2 wks!) in my use - or my range-mates', either. Be ready for a 'long' range trip!

    [​IMG]

    Stainz
     
  18. FEG

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    I have had great results with Rimz in both a 625 and 610 (10mm). Since they are made of plastic, you don't need any tools. I imagine they will eventually distort from the flexing, though. I have been using them for about a year now with no problems.

    It really beats having to clip up a few boxes of ammo at a time, or having to keep fooling with tools at the range.

    The only "bad" moonclips are the generic ones you see at gun shows, etc. They are thin and brittle.

    When I used Ranch clips, I used the RCBS hex tool for demooning. I picked it up from the reloading bench, and it worked about as well as anything else I tried.
     
  19. Sistema1927

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    Stainz,

    Where are you getting Ranch Products moonclips for $30 per 100 delivered?

    I just ordered 88 (11 packs of 8) from Midway USA last night, and even with my dealer discount (C&R) they were $51 including shipping and the NRA round-up. I was going to order 10 packs, but it took 11 to push me over the $40 minimum to avoid the additional $4 handling fee for small dealer orders.
     
  20. Stainz

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    Ah, yes, Midway -where a sale price might be, say $15.99 on a product - dealer price - $15.89! Brownell's is cheaper.

    Google 'Ranch Products' - and call them. They ship 100 for ~$30 - and bill you! Trusting old-time folks. Good product, too.

    Stainz
     
  21. General Geoff

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    I just ordered 30 Rimz 610 moon clips, as I don't like the prospect of needing a special tool to unclip empties. I'll report back when I get them, and function test them.
     
  22. rcmodel

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    Rimz are great for range plinking.

    Just don't drop them, or stuff one in your pocket cause all the rounds will fall out.

    rcmodel
     
  23. machinisttx

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    Sportsmans Guide(shudder) had moon clips cheap the last time I looked. I bought a whole bunch of them before they pulled some dumb stuff and lost me as a customer. They work fine in my 1917.
     
  24. General Geoff

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    The Rimz site specifies that the 610 moon clips have been stiffened to the point where you can now hang them by one round out of your pocket or off your belt, without worrying about them falling out, due to popular demand by his customers. So they might be a bit sturdier than the 625 clips or older 610 clips. I'll certainly let you know, though, if you're interested.


    edit; from their 610 faq page:

     
  25. FEG

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    Mine Rimz are definitely the "new" style. I have only had them for a little over a year, and that FAQ was already posted when I bought them. It sounds like they must work a lot better than the ones people are complaining about here.

    Like I said, the only ones I have had problems with were the no-name clips people sell at gunshows. They are made somewhere near here; I think it is Versailles, Kentucky.

    Ranch moonclips are sort of the standard.
     

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