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questions and advice about colt clone BP revolvers

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by ivankerley, Aug 4, 2013.

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  1. Tinpan58

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    I think the biggest difference Uberti does a better job on grips as the finish is better and if you are getting an 1851, the uberti grips are closer to the originals. Uberti also does not stamp "For black powder use only" on the barrel of the gun. Having said that most my guns are piettas. I only have 2 ubertis and their price were hard to ignore.
     
  2. CraigC
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    Pietta's from just a few years ago are not like the ones made today. My pair of 1860's I bought back in 2006 are rough guns, inside and out. The guns from the past couple years are every bit the equal of Uberti. Actually, my new Pietta 1851 London is better and smoother.
     
  3. ivankerley

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    Thanks Guys!

    So are guns from Taylors or Cimmeron marked as such?
    Gene
     
  4. Crawdad1

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    Gene, no, the revolvers are not marked or stamped Cimarron Arms or Taylors & Company.

    Just some added info for you to chew on, I was very disappointed in my ONE purchase from Cabelas. I have never been disappointed in all of my purchases from Taylor's or Cimarron. Take that info anyway you want, I'm just saying.
     
  5. fdf

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    2nd question: is there any difference between a uberti/pietta sold through say cimmaron or taylors vs. Dixie, cabellas etc.?



    Thanks for the marking information, interesting.

    You get what you pay for, spend more money and get a better pistol. From Taylors and Cimarron, you can choose the finish you wish, not at Cabelas. Cost from the other folks is higher, but I like to choose what finish I want.

    It's your money spend it how you can afford.

    Over the years from reading different places, Pietta quality has wandered all over the place (poor to much better today).

    Several years ago they were bluing the cylinders with the nipples in place and it was impossible to get the nipples out, the bluing welded them in place.

    I read and research a lot before spending my money and I settled on Ubertti for the quality of products made at the time.

    Another reason Ubertti gets the nod, is the front sight can be drifted to change the ball impact on the target. I have a .36 which shoots high and to the left, I can drift the front sight and change where the ball impacts the target, not so on the Pietta.

    Pietta stamps the top of the barrel with writing and Ubertti puts the writing under the loading level where it's not seen. I don't like the writing on top, it's just me.

    We all spend our money based on what we can afford. Years ago it would have been Pietta, today it's Ubertti, Taylor's and number one is Cimarron.

    Spend what you can and go enjoy, no one is going to read the writing on the barrel to see who made it.
     
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  6. mykeal

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    Uh, well, Cimarron's are, at least some are:
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    That was on this gun, made in 2005:
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  7. Crawdad1

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    My fault.

    Hmmm, should have stuck to what I know for certain. None of my Taylor's are marked and the few Cimarron's that me and my buddies have are not marked either. But as Mykeal has pointed out that doesn't mean they all aren't.:)
     
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    All my guns from Cimarron, Taylor's and Dixie Gun Works are stamped as such. Uberti's "house brand" guns are marked Stoeger. Isn't it a legal requirement for importation???

    My six month old Pietta Navy is marked "BLACK POWDER ONLY .36 CAL." on the left side and with the maker's name on the right. The only proof marks are in a tiny cluster on the right side of the frame. I do not find these markings offensive at all. My year or so old Uberti 3rd Model Dragoon has proof marks on the sides of both the barrel and frame. So it's not like one is totally clean and the other has visible markings all over it. If I paid $3000 for an engraved USFA that had these markings I might be upset over it. Can we really be 'that' picky over guns that are this cheap???
     
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    All my guns from Cimarron, Taylor's and Dixie Gun Works are stamped as such. Can we really be 'that' picky over guns that are this cheap???

    Nope, I spend my money as I wish, as long as a person is happy that is all that counts.
     
  10. ivankerley

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    shouldve clarified i dont have a problem with the markings, was curious if taylors or cimarron had theirs marked special in place of ubertis, while id prefer it to not have billboards all over it, im really not that picky, likely wouldnt affect my buying one. I did art work for a "SFO" Pocket Knife where our stamp was featured on the tang and GEC was on the flip side
    Thats kinda what i was trying to see if cimarron did something similar
    Thanks for the clarification
    Gene
     
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  11. Crawdad1

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    I think Craig and I are talking about two different things. Or maybe I have it wrong, but I thought that Ivankerley was referring to a Cimarron Arms or a Taylor's & Company indentifying stamp on the barrel. But all the revolvers that they sale have an importation stamp on them somewhere and a proof mark on the outside of the barrel, as required.
     
  12. Willie Sutton

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    Taylors and Stoeger Uberti's have "Uberti, Italy, Black Power Only" marked UNDER the loading lever. No external markings at all are visible without dropping the lever. Neither say "Taylor" or "Stoeger" anyplace on them.

    Cimmaron are identical except they ADD the "Address Cimmaron.." marking to the TOP of the BBL to semi-replicate the colt ""Address" roll mark on the top of the BBL.


    The above is based on having over two dozen of these things on hand...



    I won't even discuss the ugly markings on the Piettas. I'd buy them except for this defacement of an otherwise satisfactory revolver.



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    Doesn't HH, who posts here, have a defarbing company that will take all of the visible markings off the revolver?
     
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    All my guns from these importers are stamped like mykeal's above, Cimarron, Taylor's and Dixie.

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  15. ivankerley

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    thanks guys, appreciate all the input
    im leaning toward a cimarron, be a couple weeks but i'll be ordering before the end of the month!
    Thanks
    Gene
     
  16. Willie Sutton

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    ^^ Any Uberti will be identical: Taylors imports, Cimmaron's imports, and Stoegers imports. Pick the model, and buy from whatever source has them available. They are identical for design, manufacure, fit, and finish.

    Cimmarons's will have one extra roll mark on the top of the barrel as compared to the other two importers. It's not offensive, but it adds nothing to desirability either. They are all the same pieces of hardware.



    "Uberti's "house brand" guns are marked Stoeger. Isn't it a legal requirement for importation???"

    (1): No they aren't, and (2): no it's not.

    To (1): I have never seen any stamping of "Stoeger" anyplace on any of the half dozen or more Stoeger imported Uberti revolvers I own, nor are there any importers markings anyplace. Just the "black powder only" marking under the loading lever. "Non-Cimmaron" Ubertis are imported by Taylors and Stoeger. Both are marked identically... neither with "Stoeger" or "Taylors". This is true of the current imports. If something was imported ten years ago, it may have been different. But today there is nothing else stamped on them.

    To (2): These are not "firearms" and there is no import regulation requirement making markings of any sort required.



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  17. ivankerley

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    update of sorts

    jumped in and ordered my 1860, Cimarron ships it tuesday, gonna be a looong wait:D
    i will follow up with picts and whatnot after i get it, just in time to hopefully buy all the doodads and whatnots for it when im down at friendship in a few weeks!
    Be shopping for my hawkens and now the '60
    Thanks to everyone on here, appreciate it
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    Gene

    texas jacks was a 3-6 month wait! holy cow!i finally went with cimarron strictly 'cause ive oggled their site for years, dixie had them a little cheaper but just figured id throw some money at texas this time:D
     
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    Well done.
     
  19. CraigC
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    Every other Uberti I have from every other importer, including a 27yr old Interarms is marked with importer markings.

    What, you mean like this S&W replica??? I knew I wasn't losing my mind. Now maybe the percussion guns aren't marked this way but the cartridge guns sure as hell are. :rolleyes:
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    Or this one?
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    I just want to add that while the 1860 grip is only 1/4 inch longer, it does make it feel 3/4 inch longer in your hand. The 1860 to me is one of the sexiest looking of all the cap and ball revolvers. The problems with open top colts are not hard to fix and there are plenty of people here that can guide you through on tuning one up if you need help. Once tuned they go from being a 'toy' to having the feel of real quality. It wont be your last C&P gun, wont be long before you want a 51, 61, dragoon and a Walker. I think many have the same feel about Remingtons as you do at first. I bet that will change too after a while and you will have one of those too. Then one day you are going to be at a gun show or auction and come across an original 1860 colt, then we will see a post from you here wanting to know where the closest clinic is to sell a kidney.
     
  21. ivankerley

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    thanks kituwa

    a walker is definitely on my list, i held one for sale at friendship last year...
    i agree with everything you posted 'cept them words about the remmies, not gonna happen!:D
    thanks ill give an update when i get it, is it time yet:D
    taking forever
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  22. CraigC
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    I agree, it really does make a big difference in the hand.
     
  23. Willie Sutton

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    "What, you mean like this S&W replica???"

    No, not at all like your *cartridge* S&W replica, which *by law* has to have the importers markings, since in the eyes of the BATFE it's no different than a Glock.

    The *cap and ball* revolvers we are discussing here are not firearms by federal definition and as such do not need to be marked with importers stamps, and in the case of Stoeger and Uberti imported *cap and ball* replicas, are not so marked.


    Apples and Oranges.



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  24. CraigC
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    Not really. They all come from the same manufacturers, through the same importers and are all guns of the same period. Taylor's, Cimarron and Dixie Gun Works all mark theirs. Stoeger stamps their cartridge guns. It was only a logical assumption that they marked their percussion guns the same way. But thanks for the correction. :rolleyes:
     
  25. ivankerley

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    question on the S&W

    from a total noobs standpoint these look like natural pointers, similar to what people say 'bout the open tops...ive liked these for awhile, and definitely got my attention beautiful pistol craig c
    the ones ive seen are a little spendy, but im intrigued... the wheels are turning which means in time it'll cost me :D
    Regards
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