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R. Lee Ermy Springfield vs. Enfield

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by gunnutery, Jul 14, 2010.

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  1. gunnutery

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    The guy running the Enfield had no clue about how to run that rifle. :rolleyes:
     
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    chicharrones needs more ammo

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    Pure entertainment gold. :D
     
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    .303 bullet diameter is actually .311 which is bigger than the 30-06. And while not the fastest ever he did a decent job running the No1, though not the best I have ever seen.
    "The Garand is the greatest rifle ever made":rolleyes:
    Oh no here we go again...
    The guy in the second video is using the proper rapid fire method, grip the bolt handle with the thumb and fore finger and fire the rifle with the middle finger. Using that method one can empty the mag on a No1 very quickly.
     
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    "whaddaya say, there, wellington?" LOL :D
     
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    Of course he left out the Mauser 98k, best of the three... :evil:
     
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    By what measure? Accuracy? No... reliability? No... Mag capacity? No...

    Recoil, perhaps? :D
     
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    The 30-06 was the first military round to use smokless powder??I thought the French 8mm Lebel of the 1880s was the first?You gotta love these shows,I guess not much left in the budget for a proper historian/researcher.
     
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    Yeap that is pure BS.
    The 8mm Lebel,
    the 30-40 Krag AKA .30 US,
    the 6.5x55 Mauser,
    the 7x57mm Mauser,
    7.65 Mauser,
    6mm Lee Navy
    and even the improved smokeless 303 Brit,, all pre-date the 30-06 by several years.

    Just think of all of the other BS that people believe just because it is on TV.
     
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    The 8mm Lebel was indeed the first smokeless military cartridge, introduces in 1886.
     
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    ...and the M1 Garand isn't the rifle with the longest service life, the M16 has been used for far longer (unless you count drill use :rolleyes:).

    :)
     
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    When was the .30-30 introduced?
     
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    That is for sure:

    The 1903, 03A1 and 03A3 variants served for about 41-42 years in combat.

    The M1 Garand from the very late 30s until 1960 or so...about 21-22 years

    The M16, A1, A2, M4 series , 1963 to present, 47 years and counting

    The 1894, 1896 and m/38 Swede Mausers were in service from 1895 until the late 1980s and early 90s and some m/94 carbines are still in use. So 80-90 years.

    The AK-47 and variants: 1947-48 to present. = 63 years and counting

    The Lee Metford / Lee Enfield rifle variants: 1888 to present
    = 122 years and counting.
     
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    30-30 was never a military cartridge that I know of and it was introduced in 1895.
     
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    I knew it wasn't military; I just wanted to know when it came into being. thanks :cool:

    I have been told several times that the .30-30 was the first "civilian" smokeless round... does that sound accurate to everyone?
     
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    Actually, the U.S. military purchased quite a few .30-30 Winchester Model 94 saddle ring carbines for defense plant and border guards during WWI. The carbines are marked with the ordnance flaming bomb and "U.S." on top of the receiver ring.
    Sorry to be a nit-picker!
     
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    I believe that to be correct.
    Not at all. I learn something new everyday!
     
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    Winchester started work on it around 1891 while they were working on the 30-40 and 6mm Lee Navy projects. The 1894 rifle was a drawing board project just starting serous work-ups.

    The 30-30 (known as 30 WCF) was first cataloged in their new 1894 rifle during the 1895 sales season.
     
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    And, the .30-1903 predates the 30-06 for US smokeless powder use.

    Dang it, now I have to go look up the 6mm Lee.
     
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    That clip is actually pretty laughable! Neither Ermy or his opponent know how to shoot a bolt action rifle! Totally clueless!

    That's not surprising really, since the military stopped teaching the fundamentals in the 1940's. Maybe snipers are still taught the correct way?

    The trick to fast and accurate bolt rifle shooting is to not break your cheek weld as you work the bolt. It's that simple. You don't have to (you absolutely shouldn't!) lift your face as you work the bolt. Maintain your sight picture instead of re-acquiring after each shot.
     
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    The 6mm Lee Navy and semi-straight pull (actually a camming action) Winchester rifle of 1895 were designed by James Paris Lee.
    Pre-dating the 1903 in calibers 1903-03 and 1903-06 by 8 and 11 years in US service.
    It used smokeless powder and fired a 135 grain bullet at about 2,470 to 2,500 fps. The Navy and Marines wanted something that would penetrate boiler plates at 100 yards. Some machine guns were also chambered for this caliber.
    They were probably thinking about being able to disable small boats and medium size water crafts during brown water battles like those that were occurring in China.

    The Navy and Marines used the 6mm Lees during the Boxer rebellion and during the Spanish American War. It used a clip feed similar to the Mausers of the time so it was more advanced than the Krag rifles, BUT.. it was a weak design and did not do well in combat. Plus the barrels were prone to fast wear.

    Winchester actually had to extend their factory test firing range when they developed this cartridge.

    There were civilian versions and factory ammo was made up until the 1930s. There were also a couple of weight and velocity variations. I have a couple boxes of it around here someplace but can't find them right now.
     
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    Yep, the only rifle I can't do this with all the time is my Mosin, the bolt can be kind of hard to work and forces me to break my sight picture.

    A properly used bolt action can put almost as much aimed affective fire downrange as a semi. Thats why the British kept using the Enfield when everyone else was going to semi autos.
     
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    The way the Mad Minute was described to me, by a former SAS Major, is:
    Target at 300
    Load 5 rounds, make ready. Fire 15 rounds on target in less than one minuet.

    So you fire the 5 rounds, do a 10 round reload and continue firing.
     
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