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Rampaging Bulldozer! Would a .50 have helped?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Diggler, Jun 4, 2004.

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  1. Diggler

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    Rampage in Granby

    That's it, at the next gunshow I'm buying some AP ammo. And I better start saving up for that .50 BMG! :what:
     
  2. cracked butt

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    I'm saving up for a buldozer and a pile of steel plates.:evil:
     
  3. capt_happypants

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    It depends on the type of steel. If he used a mild steel, ordinary .223 should've perforated it like Swiss cheese. If he had access to harder stuff, 30-06 AP wouldn't have been enough.

    Add a 750 grain FMJ to the situation, and it ends differently

    Most PDs have enough trouble authorizing AR-15s for patrol use, and I know that Denver PD has at least one .50 out at the airport. The cops were simply outmatched by this guy's foresight.
     
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    Is this the same nutbar who was bulldozing defensive earthworks on his property last year so he could shoot it out with the Sherriff's Department over a zoning question? Something about being allowed to have several trailers and school modulars on his plot. . . . . the guy Stanley was trying to get volunteers to form a militia to go fight for?

    It all fits. . . . :uhoh:
     
  6. GigaBuist

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    No, the "nutbar" that was willing to shoot it over having his property seized for a zoning misunderstanding was from Michigan. Kyle Barkley.

    However, yes, Rick Stanley lives in Colorado. Did you see Jim March's post in L&P before you wrote that? Two people in the firearms community immediately thinking Stanley when they hear about a nut in a bulldozer armed is a little... odd.
     
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    They just needed Mel Gibson and some 9mm "Cop Killers." They make your Beretta just as good as a .50 BMG. I saw it on TV, so it must be true.
     
  8. Zak Smith

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    50 AP will blow chunks through AR500 plating. I question whether regular FMJ would.

    -z
     
  9. JohnKSa

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    You don't need a .50, you just need someone good with a rifle.

    If he's shooting out, it's a cinch there are holes for him to do so. Holes work both ways. I'm guessing that the holes are at least big enough for him to sight and shoot through.

    Get a good SWAT guy and he should be able to hide at a safe distance and put bullets through even a small hole with great regularity.

    Bad thing about armor. It keeps things out, but it also keeps them IN. I suspect even a single rifle bullet bouncing off the armor from the inside would make things very, VERY unpleasant in there even if it didn't actually hit the guy on the way to the opposite wall.
     
  10. Freedspeak

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    Did you notice the slant?

    The article says gunman first, most of the damage was done with a dozer, but they seem to be stressing the firearms/armed aspect!

    Do you think the folks are going to remember the dozer or the guns?

    These are the ones that the pols exploit.
     
  11. Croyance

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    He was apparently using a .50 caliber gun. I hope that isn't true. So far, we've been able to say that none have been used in a crime.
    He was also shooting at propane tanks, so a big explosion was obviously a goal.
     
  12. cpileri

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    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,121846,00.html

    Dammit.

    C-
     
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    From The Desk of Agent Schmuckatelli...

    Dear THRers,

    FINALLY!

    Regards,
    Agent S-
     
  14. Kobun

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    Looks like they tried to blast a hole in the armour with explosives.
    When that didn't work, they should have done what you use on tanks;
    molotov coctails.
    It would be hard to believe that there was no holes in the armour at all, as he obviously had to bread.
    Burning gas running around in the engine compartment will also destroy hydraluic lines etc that are essential to a machine like that.
     
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    Sounds like another "Carl Drega" to me. Eminent domain used by the city against one property owner for the benefit of another property owner. Sounds like the sheep are beginning to turn on the wolves. I read on another board that a friend of his said he had welded himself into the cab.
     
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    One officer, later identified as Trainor, was perched on top, firing shot after shot into the top and once dropping an explosive down the exhaust pipe.

    "He just kept shooting," Moore said. "The dozer was still going. He threw what looked like a flash-bang down the exhaust. It didn't do a thing."

    DUH, can somone explain what this cop was trying to do?

    "Gunfire was just ringing out everywhere," said Sandra Tucker, who saw the bulldozer begin the rampage from her office on Main Street. "It sounded to me like an automatic rifle, firing about every second."

    Sorry Sanrda, Auto fires alot faster than that.

    OK, that is it! I demand they ban all dozers (who needs a dozer anyway, besides, it's for the children) ban all welders, only criminals need welders, and by all means, ban armor plating over 1/4 inch thick, no one buy the military needs armor anyway.

    See how simple this all could have been avoided :)
     
  18. Diggler

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    I am sick and tired of this eminent domain crap. People work their whole lives to build up businesses, or homes filled with memories, just to have the government come in and say "Sorry, we're going to bulldoze everything you've had so we can put a mall here. You don't have a choice, we're taking your land, here's some money for your trouble."

    He obviously went about things the wrong way, to put it mildly. But if the situation is similar to what I described above, then he gave the city back a taste of what it would do to him. Still doesn't make it right, but desperate men do desperate things.

    I won't pass judgement on this guy until I find out more about what this 'zoning dispute' was about.
     
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    Eminent domain has been grossly distorted. Originally it was for 'the public good' not the good of corporations or even for a tax base for the city . It ment a highway or bridge for all the public , not a factory or mall for their profit or for a tax base .
     
  20. Obiwan

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    I imagine that you can shoot OUT of a much smaller hole than you can expect a sniper to HIT on a moving bouncing machine.

    And unless you were exactly perpendiculer to the opening...well.....you get the idea...pretty low percentage shot

    But hey....knock yourself out...you might get lucky:scrutiny:

    It would certainly feel better to be shooting!
     
  21. TallPine

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    And just think ... anyone can just walk into a Caterpillar dealer and buy a D-9 bulldozer - no background check or anything:what:

    We need to do something about these assault tractors flooding the streets :rolleyes:
     
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    A friend of mine's father is involved in an Eminent Domain dispute with Duncanville. Seems that Costco uses ED to secure land for its clubs. The loophole is that Costco shows the city that having a business that will generate millions in taxes is better for the "public good" than the little house and barn that's there now. He'll most likely lose. He can't even afford to fight it. If I was a single old guy with no kids, nothing but the piece of property I'd owned for close to 30 years, you'd see me on the news. I'd be very inclined to degrade, humiliate, or kill the members of the town council that allowed it to happen, and then I'd hole up in my house and eventually die from the JBTs kicking in my door.

    This episode, if it's actually ED related, would possibly bring about ED reform if the news actually reported the whole story. Unfortunately, they firgure an armored bulldozer and gunfire is better news than people getting screwed by the government.
     
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    If they had explosives, why didn't they just blow a track off?

    I wish the news would report a little more about the reason this guy was driven mad. It appears that it may be quite interesting and something teh general public should know more about.
     
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    Now, I wonder where he got that idea from...

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    He forgot about the tank support though. :scrutiny:

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  25. JohnKSa

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    Interesting that they say 50 caliber weapon and not 50 caliber rifle.

    Is it possible they're talking about a pistol chambered in 500 S&W?
     
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