Range incident - opinions wanted

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Its everyones place to see that safety rules are obeyed, whether they are old, young or anywhere in the middle, if this construes them to be a busy-body then so be it.
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I understand what you're saying.
But in this particular incidence there's no evidence whatsoever that any safety rules had been broken.

Nothing said by the original poster indicates that Jim made any safety violations, nor did Jim's daughter.

Joe was trying to play the role of a BATF agent and hassling Jim about an age specific state law that has nothing to do with firearms safety.

Hey, if I see an unsafe act at a range, you can bet your bottom dollar that I'm going to say something or take action.
But I'm not going to go over and play detective trying to find out the ages of everyone shooting and whether or not they have the proper permits to shoot.
That kind of stuff has nothing to do with range safety.
 
If one should go back and read all my posts regarding this I only opined of two items. Jim going off the wall regarding stepping back, its obovious Jim started out with a burr under his saddle with his shouting OK I Got It. The other item that stuck in my craw was offensive language in mixed company. Again its obvious Jim has a problem expressing himself without reverting to gutter talk. Course I find this to generally the case with alot of younger folks, not all, but an awful lot of them.

As I said before, Jim seems to be a real class act. Mayhaps been listing to too much rap.
 
ANY problem should be handeld by a range officer and if not applicable just switch lanes. Im sure if you ask the guy to youre right to switch because the guy to youre left is uncomfortable with you shooting, something should be worked out.
 
I sure would get irritated if someone gets too nosey on what i do at the range.
 
At the range, i usually see the person next to me right and left during ceasefire, making sure no one gets hold of their firearms. Even if theres range masters, they cant see everything. Its for my safety and for everyone. I ve caught several violators , old and young alike. Never know the level of safety consciousness and practice of every shooter at the range. Some are very naive and outright unsafe, stupid and reckless.
 
If I had a lady out on the range with me and some bloke of any age comes up and asks her age, I guarantee you I'll be reminding him to mind his own business. Maybe I'm overly protective?
 
If I had a lady out on the range with me and some bloke of any age comes up and asks her age, I guarantee you I'll be reminding him to mind his own business. Maybe I'm overly protective?
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But then its OK to use foul language.
 
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But then its OK to use fowl language.
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From the original post it would seem that Jim didn't use foul language (not fowl) until after Joe continued to push the age/permit law notion....which was NOT a range safety issue at all.

Had Joe minded his own business and not bothered Jim, there would have likely been no foul language at all.
 
No excuse in mixed company, just shows an inability to communate correctly and in an educated manner.

Thanks for pointing out the 1 letter spelling error. I'll correct it.
 
No excuse in mixed company, just shows an inability to communate correctly and in an educated manner.
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That's entirely a matter of opinion.
Using foul language is NOT an indicator of intelligence or a lack thereof...
I work in a hospital and I happen to know many very well educated and very articulate folks who still curse on occasion....and not just the men.

Even the term "mixed company" is way outdated when it comes to expressive vulgarity.
The "ladies" of this day and age speak as rough as the men from what I've heard.
You might not like it, and you might not endorse it, and you might not approve of it, but it is the truth nonetheless.


And again, if Joe had minded his own business then the whole situation would have never happened.


BTW....
"jcwit" doesn't stand for "Joe c wit" does it?
LOL!
 
BTW....
"jcwit" doesn't stand for "Joe c wit" does it?
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Not hardly! Don't you wish!! Is this a tongue in cheek attack?

That's entirely a matter of opinion.
Using foul language is NOT an indicator of intelligence or a lack thereof...
I work in a hospital and I happen to know many very well educated and very articulate folks who still curse on occasion....and not just the men.

Even the term "mixed company" is way outdated when it comes to expressive vulgarity.
The "ladies" of this day and age speak as rough as the men from what I've heard.
You might not like it, and you might not endorse it, and you might not approve of it, but it is the truth nonetheless.
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Like you say that is your opinion. How ever the use of vulgar language language is just another indication of how our socity is degrading, and that Sir Is The Truth.
 
Not hardly! Don't you wish!! Is this a tongue in cheek attack?
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No attack. Just a friendly jest.

How ever the use of vulgar language language is just another indication of how our socity is degrading, and that Sir Is The Truth.
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I don't necessarily subscribe to the notion that our society is degrading based upon the language used by the average guy on the street.
According to much of the world, the United States has never been very eloquent in its use of language.
 
Jim sounds like he needs some anger-management therapy, and Joe sounds like he needs a boot to his rear. Figuratively, of course. I've dealt with his like before by asking them a line of questions, starting with "Who are you? Do you work for the range? Are you a cop?" and taking it from there. If he's just a busy-body with a bad attitude, you can ignore him, tell him to get lost, whatever. No need to get worked up.

I struck up a friendship with an older gent one time, though, when he told me he didn't want my buddy to shoot him in the ass when he went to change out a target and then proceeded to tell my friend to aim directly at him when he went downrange because that would be the safest place to be standing according to what he'd seen. He's a pretty gruff and abrasive guy, but he's a gruff and abrasive guy who's good people and would give me the shirt off his back if I needed it. I'm glad I didn't judge that book by its cover.
 
jcwit said:
Dannix said:
If I had a lady out on the range with me and some bloke of any age comes up and asks her age, I guarantee you I'll be reminding him to mind his own business. Maybe I'm overly protective?
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But then its OK to use foul language.
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Did you think that that was what I was implying? With all due respect, that seems like a cheap shot. I was more referring to a polite, but utterly firm statement. For the record, I personally don't use 'foul' language, mixed company or otherwise, but that's not a standard I would necessarily expect others to hold to.

My take: they both acted like punks. I have little respect for Jim's action though -- to say he could have handled Joe "the-noisy-busybody" better is an understatement. Considering this is the city where every shares their mind about everything, Jim must be blowing up all the time. :D

Concerning language, treatment of elders, treatment of the young, courtesy to your fellow man, et al -- I would submit to you that these are symptoms of an issue, not the issue itself.
 
I probably would not have gone into a full fledged furious tangent, but I definitely would have told him that he needs to keep his nose on his face and mind his business. I really can't stand people like that, some people need to learn their boundaries. I would have been pretty agitated I must admit, maybe the old man will think twice about approaching people with nonsense like that. If somebody was speeding in the car in front of you would you follow them to their destination and come up to them like some safety ambassador and tell them they need to keep the speed down? No, unless you're a complete jackass that doesn't know how to mind your own business. This thread is kind of irritating as I too seem to keep running into these jackass's, if I'm not hurting anybody and minding my own business ill do whatever I feel like doing, you only live once and if you're not bothering someone else or causing any harm you may as well do as u please.
 
I myself, will avoid confrontation at all costs, and around here where I'm from, its a mutual understanding that not minding your own business is a good way to get yourself poked right in the nose. In my opinion Joe was askin for trouble. Although, its another thing if somebody makes you feel unsafe. If the girl was showing a complete disregard for others safety and was ignorant regarding basic fundementals of gun safety and sweeping people with the gun then I would be first in line to say something and then maybe the question of her age and whether or not she's supposed to be handling the pistol would be brought into the light of things. But just to go citing laws and restrictions like he is some higher authority.....I would have gone and asked him to turn on his car to check to make sure his brake lights were in good working order,exhaust was up to code and so on. Whether the guy blew up and started swearing isn't really the point, the point is he got "his" point across and maybe ol' joe the annoying busybody may have taken something away from this whole ordeal......STAY OUT OF OTHER PEOPLE'S BUSINESS!!!!
 
A range is a place to chill out and relax.Everybody there has their own space/zone.Unless it's a safety issue stay out of my relaxed,chilled out space.
 
For what it's worth, in New York state: "Persons between age 18 and
21 may possess a handgun at an indoor or outdoor pistol
range located in or on premises owned or occupied by a
duly incorporated organization organized for conservation
purposes or to foster proficiency in small arms. A person
between the ages of 18 and 21 may also possess a handgun
at a target pistol shooting competition under the auspices
of or approved by the NRA and while under immediate
supervision." Aside from that, you can't handle a handgun in NY without a license. Joe should mind his own business unless safety was being compromised, and Jim should chill and enjoy his day at the range :) I was shooting my Dad's pistols at a public range when I was 13 and no one seemed to mind, but that was almost 30 years ago.
 
People like "Joe" are the reason y'all up in NY have all those stupid laws. If "Joe" understood the law, then he would understand that the supreme law of the land, the Constitution, prohibits the stupid laws he is so dilligently upholding. "Joe" needs to mind his own business and be told in no uncertain terms to do so. Perhaps he can redirect his energies to studying history and an understanding of this nation's founding.

Jim on the other hand has issues. An NRA card does not mean that you can do whatever you want to do. Generally speaking the one who resorts to abusive speech really has no intelligent argument to make. Making your point in a firm but polite manner shows intelligence and strength. Flying off the handle for minor annoyances shows limited intelligence and puts up a bluff trying to create the impression of strength.

There was nobody on the right side of this argument. It appears more that they are just a couple of loons acting like, well, loons.
 
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