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Range vs Shooting Position: Changing up my preseason

Discussion in 'Hunting' started by D.B. Cooper, Jul 27, 2021.

  1. Grumpy_old_Fart

    Grumpy_old_Fart Member

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    prone, longest shot was 505 yards, buck was heading downhill and away, I pulled the trigger while aiming 1 foot above his head and 1 foot in front of it. Bullet took out his femoral artery... bad idea, but good luck. 7mm RUM
    Second longest, 350 yards, but not prone. propped up in the v made by the open door and the A pillar. buck never took a step. 270 Wby.
    I practice all positions, seated, cross legged, prone, supported, unsupported. when I can... which isnt often enough. I wish I was a better shot.
     
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  2. Loyalist Dave

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    So I'm the exact opposite. Modern cartridge or black powder, my shots are always under the max effective/accurate range, due to tight, rolling terrain and trees. I always have a tree that I can steady upon.
    I have in the past, however, hunted fields and meadows, and some of those shots are out at 200 yards.

    In your area, were I there..., I wouldn't go past 100 yards on a "moving" target, and I think more left-right or right-left, when I say a "moving target", as opposed to walking toward me. Also the speed would be a walking, big game animal. If it was trotting or going faster, nope, I'd pass on the shot. Scope or not, I just like a pretty steady sight picture.

    I wouldn't be shooting offhand, aka standing-unsupported. I just don't like it. When I've been in fields or meadows without a tree for me to use, I've carried a walking staff that I used as a sort of monopod, but only for a shooting situation that was unplanned, such as I was crossing an area and a deer appeared, before I had chosen a spot and set up. I do like your 300 yard limit.

    In your area, I'd consider the old "Crossed Sticks" and a sitting position. Prone never worked for me as the grass where I am is always knee high, and I always end up looking at a grass wall. Crossed sticks worked for bison hunters, and granted, that was at a time when rifle trajectory was really curved, but I've found them good now. They give me a less tight position than a full sitting or kneeling, and thus I don't go numb or cramp up waiting for that shot. Because, it's always been the case in the past, when I've used a tight shooting position in sitting or kneeling..., the animal takes it's darn sweet time presenting me the with shot that I want. Numb isn't so bad, but a cramp that gives the shakes..., I'd rather use the sticks.

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  3. Bfh_auto

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    Dry fire drills will enlighten you on what range each position is good for. It gives you the ability to focus without recoil. If you're honest with yourself. You know if you're crodsshairs were actually where you wanted them when the trigger broke.
    I "feel" my shots in the field. If the doesn't feel right I don't shoot. My passed said are becoming less as my confidence increases. But I still passed on a nice 10 point white tail last fall that was inside 100 because I didn't feel right.
     
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  4. Wolfshead

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    I’m good the 300, because that is the furthest that my gun range allows me to practice.
    I shoot often from the ground and sometimes in a stand.
    The stand has rails I shoot off of.
    On the ground I use shooting sticks, bipod sticks most often.
    They telescope and attach very nicely to my pack for carry in.
    My shortest distance to a stand area is a quarter mile so I’m walking a bit before I sit.
    I carry a pack because my extra clothes are in it so that I can add for warmth later, after I start to cool off from walking/stalking in.
    My longest know shat has been 256 yards, and I know this as I ranged it from where the animal was back to where I was sitting.
    I’m certain I could go out further but have not had to try just yet.
    I practice dry fire a lot with my bipod and body positions in the off season as well as shooting at the range to make sure loads and sight are on.
     
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  5. Chuck R.

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    Spent yesterday morning and again in the PM helping other folks, zero etc, but I got some "me" time this morning. Headed out back to practice with my little M7 in .223 for our upcoming WY antelope hunt. Great conditions, cool light variable breeze.

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    Kneeling at 220yds 4rds, positively a last resort:

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    Need to practice this way more or stick to 100yds or under.

    Sitting, Bogpod tripod with my backpack on my lap for an elbow rest (positively my favorite and most accurate sitting position), 3rds at 307yds. I find it almost as stable as going prone.

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    I've got a couple weeks left to practice, so I'll working on the kneeling and standing.
     
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  6. horsey300

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    What twist is your .243?
     
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  7. 9x56MS

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    I believe he said 223 in last post.
     
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  8. D.B. Cooper

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    243. 1 in 10. 24"
     
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  9. horsey300

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    Maybe but he hunts caribou with a .243 85 gr tsx iirc....

    @D.B. Cooper have you considered the 80 gr ttsx??
     
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  10. D.B. Cooper

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    I've used it at the range, and I have some commercial loaded ammo with it (Banes TTSX, Federal with the TTSX bullet). The TSX has a very slightly higher BC. I think they're very similar projectiles. The 85 grn TSX is easier to find for reloading.

    Come to think of it, the Barnes branded TTSX ammo was more accurate in my rifle than the Federal.
     
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  11. FL-NC

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    In my case (deer hunting in Fl) I am almost always seated, and usually with some type of support in a ladder stand or ground blind, shooting deer at 50 yards or less. About the only thing that matters is getting an unobstructed shot on a vital area. That's just the nature of the terrain and vegetation where I hunt, but I would welcome opportunities to take longer shots from different positions. I zero either from a bench or prone on bag and bipod.
     
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  12. horsey300

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    The reason I ask.....I found the 80 gr in stock, if you could live with the difference of .194 instead of .206 on the b.c. you might be able to supplement your cache a bit.....https://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item/0003530208/6mm-point243-diameter-80-grain-poly-tipped-tsx-triple-shock-x-boat-tail-50-count
    Eta the extra lil bit of fps might just outrun the bc to 300 yds I haven't run those numbers to confirm yet though.
     
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  13. horsey300

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    Soooooo @D.B. Cooper if you can load those 80s at 3380 you'll hit 300 yds at 2197 fps (5000 ft, 78 percent humidity, 59 degrees) 2200 is what I like outta my monos so I'm thinking you might be just dandy with these.....
     
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  14. D.B. Cooper

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    BC for the 80 and 85 grn bullets are .331 and .333 according to Barnes' website. I doubt the .002 difference in BC will make much difference. I suspect the projectiles are nearly interchangeable. The 80 grn only gains 146 fps at max charge but requires 2.8 more grns of powder to do it. That seems odd to me, but it's in their loading manual page.
     
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  15. D.B. Cooper

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    According to shooterscalculator.com, My 85 grn load (at max charge) is hitting 300 yrds at 2352 fps. According to an email got from Barnes a few years ago, I need a minimum of 2k fps on impact for proper bullet performance. In fact, I could reach 400 yrds and still be at 2100, but I just hold it to 300.
     
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