thorn726
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i love people in totally unpopulated states claiming the most populous states in the union are NOt part of said union.
Rapper-actor Sticky Fingaz arrested on gun charge
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Cosmoline
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EddieCoyle said:
Only in theory
If this were Mos Def we were talking about I would 100% agree with you. But given the violent lyrics and actual violence associated with gangsta rap it's hard to give a gangsta rapper the benefit of the doubt that he only intended it for self defense.
Especially when he writes things like this:
http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Shot-Up-lyrics-Sticky-Fingaz/82B22EA78EE2C94948256DC20024F232
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I am a native New Yorker
as in I was born in Manhatten.
It angers me to no end that I can not visit my home town and see family and friends.
Why can't I ??
I've all ready been stabbed in NYC after "co-operating" with the dirt bag who wanted my money and I'm never letting that happen again.
It angers me that I would face a year on Rikers and a felony for packing when rich stars who vote for gun control politicians get away with it.
While I don't care for rap in the slightest and think it's useless I support the right of The People To Keep And Bear Arms
as in I was born in Manhatten.
It angers me to no end that I can not visit my home town and see family and friends.
Why can't I ??
I've all ready been stabbed in NYC after "co-operating" with the dirt bag who wanted my money and I'm never letting that happen again.
It angers me that I would face a year on Rikers and a felony for packing when rich stars who vote for gun control politicians get away with it.
While I don't care for rap in the slightest and think it's useless I support the right of The People To Keep And Bear Arms
Kurush said:
Is it our call to judge people's rights through interpretation of what their intentions are? Jeeze this sounds like an anti saying I shouldn't own guns because I have a violent personality because I box, go to the range, etc. Or when they uncover an "arsenal" in the newspaper where some retired guy had 20 guns...we all know you don't own 20 guns unless you don't intend for them to be for self defense
P.S. His rapping does suck.
EddieCoyle
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thorn726 said:
I think he was joking.
If you don't like rap, don't listen to it. Hard not to though when it is the most popular selling form of music in the US and the car next to you is blasting it! And don't forget the USA is about 70-75% white and about 12% black so who just is buying and listening to this stuff
Anyways Sticky Fingaz is featured in one of my favorite movies,Leprechaun 2, Back to Tha Hood!
He packs a stainless Beretta in it loaded with "hollowtips" filled with 4 leaf clovers!
Anyways Sticky Fingaz is featured in one of my favorite movies,Leprechaun 2, Back to Tha Hood!
He packs a stainless Beretta in it loaded with "hollowtips" filled with 4 leaf clovers!
thorn726
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the rap thing is so ridicuolous.
sure, SOME of the time, this is the case. BUT why are GUNS really mentioned in rap songs, over and over???
i hear this garbage all the time.
it isnt about enjoying weapons, it's about killing over issues of turf, respect, anything and everything BUT legitimate use.
if i wlaked into a gun store rapping to myself
"gonna get me an sks cuz the n***s on the corner been given me looks"
am i going to walk out with a rifle??? (save the 10 day comment)
sure, SOME of the time, this is the case. BUT why are GUNS really mentioned in rap songs, over and over???
i hear this garbage all the time.
it isnt about enjoying weapons, it's about killing over issues of turf, respect, anything and everything BUT legitimate use.
if i wlaked into a gun store rapping to myself
"gonna get me an sks cuz the n***s on the corner been given me looks"
am i going to walk out with a rifle??? (save the 10 day comment)
KONY
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Daniel Flory said:
+1! Sometimes I have serious doubts about the true motives behind posts.
thorn726
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ARGH! think man, please.
there is a HUGE difference between needing a gun for aggresion or for defense.
personally i am more inot RBKA for anti tyrannical purposes.
NONE of these are what rappers mention.
calling me comrade, nice move.
yeah , "i need a gun to blast the n**** on the corner for taking my block"
that's what RBKA is about. if you honestly believe folks that constantly talk about shooting people over respect should be given guns, fine, just give me some body armor.
as it is , the JERK that threatens to "beat my butt" for NOT wanting to buy drugs off of him- is not who i want having a gun
Please take your own advice. Think. Once you've established the principle that people need to justify their reasons for exercising their rights, you've given the right away. Once you've said they person A can determine that person B doesn't actually need a given right, you've made person B person A's slave.thorn726 said:
And I call you comrade because apparently you hold to the "my reasons are pure therefore I deserve more rights than the next guy" view of the world that socialists the world over use to justify their double standards. I call them like I see them.
thorn726
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i hear you, the whole just sell everyone guns, no questions asked.
guess im not quite ready for that knowing how little some of these jerks value their own lives, let alone mine.
i dont think people should have to justify their reasons at the point of sale, but when a person makes repeated, wide ranging statements about how they love to shoot people over the kind of nonsense these people rap about, make it widely known they have guns for what boil down to illegal purposes (unless enforcing your drug turf is suddely legal)........
do we just sell a gun to the guy who comes in the store and says "i need to kill my wife"
and let her deal with it?
why even make murder illegal.
there has to be a line somewhere.
perhaps we should start selling guns at the prison px or whatever?
guess im not quite ready for that knowing how little some of these jerks value their own lives, let alone mine.
i dont think people should have to justify their reasons at the point of sale, but when a person makes repeated, wide ranging statements about how they love to shoot people over the kind of nonsense these people rap about, make it widely known they have guns for what boil down to illegal purposes (unless enforcing your drug turf is suddely legal)........
do we just sell a gun to the guy who comes in the store and says "i need to kill my wife"
and let her deal with it?
why even make murder illegal.
there has to be a line somewhere.
perhaps we should start selling guns at the prison px or whatever?
KONY
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thorn726 said:
I feel we need to draw a line between musical preferences and the RKBA. Quite frankly, I am sick of hearing people judge who can and can exercise their right to keep and bear arms. Everyone should.
KONY- I also have to question the motive behind some posts...
thorn726- I'm glad you have heard every rapper out there to decide that they never talk about RKBA So what if someone talks about violence? If I punch a hole in my office wall because part of my portfolio tanked does that mean I can't own guns either?
thorn726- I'm glad you have heard every rapper out there to decide that they never talk about RKBA
So what if someone talks about violence? If I punch a hole in my office wall because part of my portfolio tanked does that mean I can't own guns either?thorn726
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ok lets not get nuts. i should be more specific. i dont know where exactly i said "ALL" of any group of anything.
i guess you don't understand. i guess i know too many of these "youngstas"
which the OGs refer to, the "straight killers".
all i am saying is if you have an album out where you keep saying over and over how you need a gun to do this and that and the other thing and none of them are legal, don't be suprised if no one wants to hand you a gun.
your comaprison of hitting some THING because of a /HUge disappointment to shooting someone for wearing the wrong color pants is a bit of a stretch.
its more as simple as if some guy walks into a gun store and says "i want a gun so i can kill <person>"
OTOH- should a rapper like KRS one say he wanted a gun?
i would be happy for him. maybe he could teach some youngstas the real reason for having one, protection, not ego.
thorn726
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always good to have background
well, more often than not, this forum is pretty good about this kind of thing. you wouldnt believe the misinformation people post sometimes without searching another source first on other forums
HERE is some bacground on our sticky friend, looks like a nice guy? maybe? really hard to tell. sure yer not a "gangsta" now that you have money but what happened with tupac big and those other guys?
from mtv's site
well, more often than not, this forum is pretty good about this kind of thing. you wouldnt believe the misinformation people post sometimes without searching another source first on other forums
HERE is some bacground on our sticky friend, looks like a nice guy? maybe? really hard to tell. sure yer not a "gangsta" now that you have money but what happened with tupac big and those other guys?
from mtv's site
KONY
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Thorn, just for the record, please don't feel like you are being attacked personally as I have seen lots of this sentiment on THR. With that said, this is entirely my opinion but ... I think lots of these rappers share the very same fascination with firearms that we share. Sure, they may not be expressing their fascination in the most PC manner, but I still see it. However, some of these guys come from cities/states like NYC where the law does not allow them to exercise their RKBA so they lose out on the simple pleasures that most of us enjoy like packing up your favorite firearm, heading to the range and throwing some lead downrange. Moreover, they also miss out on getting a proper firearm education. Anybody have any thoughts on this? Feel free to disagree as I'd like to get reactions ... really!
thorn- So Sticky Fingaz is a jackass, that's not new info. Try being an Asian with a hot white girlfriend passing by the 11th vendor at the show selling the Turner Diaries, imagine the looks you get. My point is, I go to those gunshows and I see scores of people I think are jackasses, but do I think they don't have a right to own a gun? No.
thorn726
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ha! believe me, i know what it is to be profiled.
way more than most white people.
i hitchiked the deep south with long hair, and now, worse-
dreadlock white guy.
depending on where i am - i am shoplifter, drug dealer, heroin addict, the list goes on forever.
the really funny part is the looks i get while i am actually working, shoveling some huge pile of dirt or whatever.
anyway-
yeah , interesting point. some truth to that.
but clothes, skin color, hair- are NOT how i ever base my judgements (ha especially here with all the rich kid fake tough guys)
it's attitude. once you've met a few of these actual killer types, you know more what i mean. and worse, the idiots who want to imitate them but have no idea of what it really means to end up in prison.
the problem is you get a fascination without any legal, safe practice, and we end up with what happened last May here.
DUMB girl calls "friend" , supposedly tells him to bring gun to disperse crowd of thugs bugging her. "friend" fires away at crowd, kills girl who called him.
the reasons this person owned gun were not what i would call logical reasons.
-end result? society is already placing the blame firmly on the gun and society itself. the "gun culture" he was involved in told him this action, shooting over a respect issue, was warranted. ???!
it really doenst take much talking to a person to determine whether they are from this line of thinking or not.
i feel minimal questioning at point of sale can determine these problems more often than not, and im willing to take the chance of occasionally being wrong in favor of freedom- but am i in favor of randomly doling out weapons without some knoledge of intentions. of whether the buyer at least has a CLEAR understanding of the 4 rules?
no.
i really don't think i am being extreme here.
the big problem right here is some are assuming "people who listen to rap" and
"gangster/youngsta/killers" are the same people.
when you meet a real gangster, you'll know the difference, and probably understand why i wouldnt want said person to have a gun.
ever seen a crackhead's tooth knocked out for getting too close to dealer while buying??
or a kid shot in the leg over 20 bucks?
at the same time one of my best friends is covered in tatts, loves rap, hangs out in rap clubs, etc, and is a total gun lover.
i guess the difference starts really when your money is connected to the music/lifestyle. you either have a job, or you sell drugs and rap
way more than most white people.
i hitchiked the deep south with long hair, and now, worse-
dreadlock white guy.
depending on where i am - i am shoplifter, drug dealer, heroin addict, the list goes on forever.
the really funny part is the looks i get while i am actually working, shoveling some huge pile of dirt or whatever.
anyway-
yeah , interesting point. some truth to that.
but clothes, skin color, hair- are NOT how i ever base my judgements (ha especially here with all the rich kid fake tough guys)
it's attitude. once you've met a few of these actual killer types, you know more what i mean. and worse, the idiots who want to imitate them but have no idea of what it really means to end up in prison.
the problem is you get a fascination without any legal, safe practice, and we end up with what happened last May here.
DUMB girl calls "friend" , supposedly tells him to bring gun to disperse crowd of thugs bugging her. "friend" fires away at crowd, kills girl who called him.
the reasons this person owned gun were not what i would call logical reasons.
-end result? society is already placing the blame firmly on the gun and society itself. the "gun culture" he was involved in told him this action, shooting over a respect issue, was warranted. ???!
it really doenst take much talking to a person to determine whether they are from this line of thinking or not.
i feel minimal questioning at point of sale can determine these problems more often than not, and im willing to take the chance of occasionally being wrong in favor of freedom- but am i in favor of randomly doling out weapons without some knoledge of intentions. of whether the buyer at least has a CLEAR understanding of the 4 rules?
no.
i really don't think i am being extreme here.
the big problem right here is some are assuming "people who listen to rap" and
"gangster/youngsta/killers" are the same people.
when you meet a real gangster, you'll know the difference, and probably understand why i wouldnt want said person to have a gun.
ever seen a crackhead's tooth knocked out for getting too close to dealer while buying??
or a kid shot in the leg over 20 bucks?
at the same time one of my best friends is covered in tatts, loves rap, hangs out in rap clubs, etc, and is a total gun lover.
i guess the difference starts really when your money is connected to the music/lifestyle. you either have a job, or you sell drugs and rap
I see a lot of hypocritical sentiments whenever the subject of rap comes up:
"I'm all for freedom, live & let live…but you're an idiot if you listen to that rap crap."
"Self defense is an inalienable right…unless you're a rapper, then you deserve to be murdered."
"No one should be denied the right to keep and bear arms…unless you're one of those rap guys."
I don't understand the ad hominem vitriol that's spewed over a form of entertainment. Movies have plenty of guns, violence & misogyny, yet it's seen as a legitimate 1st Amendment-protected enterprise. Why is putting the same on CD so wrong? Is rap being blamed for rude, criminal behavior in the same way that guns (instead of people) have been blamed for violence? Maybe it's being taken far too seriously, or I'm not taking it seriously enough. Sure, rappers often refer to guns, but I like guns, so to me that is not necessarily a bad thing.
I'm also curious to see if the consequences for Sticky Fingaz will be similar to Crosby's as the circumstances are practically identical.
"I'm all for freedom, live & let live…but you're an idiot if you listen to that rap crap."
"Self defense is an inalienable right…unless you're a rapper, then you deserve to be murdered."
"No one should be denied the right to keep and bear arms…unless you're one of those rap guys."
I don't understand the ad hominem vitriol that's spewed over a form of entertainment. Movies have plenty of guns, violence & misogyny, yet it's seen as a legitimate 1st Amendment-protected enterprise. Why is putting the same on CD so wrong? Is rap being blamed for rude, criminal behavior in the same way that guns (instead of people) have been blamed for violence? Maybe it's being taken far too seriously, or I'm not taking it seriously enough. Sure, rappers often refer to guns, but I like guns, so to me that is not necessarily a bad thing.
I'm also curious to see if the consequences for Sticky Fingaz will be similar to Crosby's as the circumstances are practically identical.
DRZinn
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Where's the hypocrisy in that?
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GoRon said:
Its just a show its all fictional................
Daniel Flory said:
Because by definition a "gangsta" is a CRIMINAL. When these "gangstas", ie gang members commit a crime with a gun, it gives more ammunition to the gun banners. The probability of this guy being involved in crime with a gun is high. They need this type of press for record sales.
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