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Rare Pre WWII German Pistol

Discussion in 'Firearms Research' started by evil_shenanigans_alpha, Apr 12, 2011.

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  1. evil_shenanigans_alpha

    evil_shenanigans_alpha Member

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    I recently inherited two pistols from my grandfather. One was his Colt .45 1911 Service pistol. The other is a small pre war german pistol. We were unable to identify it for awhile, but took it to a gunsmith today and got it figured out. It's an August Menz Model 1 in 7.65.

    What I'm trying to figure out now is what it's value might be. My girlfriend was doing research today and was able to find other models by Menz with values ranging from. $300 to $3000. I'm looking for someone who might know what it's worth or know how I could go about finding out. Thanks.

    Here are some pictures of the pistol.

    http://s1142.photobucket.com/albums/n616/evil_shenanigans_alpha/Formerly Known as Mystery Pistol/
     
  2. rcmodel

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    It appears you have a Menz Model II.

    My old 1999 Standard Catalog of Firearms price guide shows:
    Poor = $125
    Fair = $200
    Good = $250
    V.G. = $300
    Exc = $400

    Yours is probably Fair condition considering the finish wear and X'd out & obliterated markings on the slide.

    I would suggest you search Auctionarms.com, Gunbroker.com, and other firearms auction sites for other Menz II's.
    What they are selling for there will tell you more about current value then I can.

    I can tell you though that yours, in it's present condition, is not even remotely close to a $3000 dollar collector grade gun.

    rc
     
  3. evil_shenanigans_alpha

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    When we took it to the gunsmith he pulled out a book to look it up. It's not the same weight as the Model II nor is it built like it. The from of the slide is different.

    Also, We've looked on both gunbroker.com and auctionarms.com. There are none that look like mine on broker, and nothing by August on auction at all.
     
  4. hso

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    you need to join gbroker and search the completed auctions after you've joined
     
  5. Jim K

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    If you are talking about the scalloped slide in the front, they made the Model II both ways; I don't know which came first.

    Jim
     
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    I would just like to digress and applaud you for using a 7.62x54r cartridge as an alternative scale comparison.
     
  7. Maj Dad

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    I can assure you the M1911A1 is the more valuable of the two. Do you have any pictures of it?
     
  8. Ron James

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    :D Gosh guy, you asked and you got an answer:D You have a Model II Menz, The Model II was squared off at first , then later models were tapered. Rare is , as rare does, you might have one of the rarest items in the world, but if there is no market for that peculiar item what is the value? My Standard Catalog of Firearms, 18Th Edition shows a value of 400 in excellent down to 125 in poor condition. If I were to put a value on yours I would say 250 tops. There are those who collect German pistols that may be very interested and pay more but they have to be found. If you put it up for auction it may bring more. There were a vast number of German commercial designed firearms prior to the 1940's. Your is just one of many, Interesting but not peculiarly rare, sorry about that. Now, one of Menz Lillput guns, in 4.25 MM in the original case with the purse holster and ammo would bring you mucho more money.
     
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  9. evil_shenanigans_alpha

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    I'd take the 1911 out occasionally, once or twice a year, not just the once. It's good to remember, and honor him. I do similar with the Arisaka I inherited from my grandfather. I need to take his old M1 Carbine and revolver out, though. He left us a barely-fired Smith & Wesson Model 10-5 snubby.
     
  11. evil_shenanigans_alpha

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    I will most likely take it out every once in a while. It's a lot of fun to shoot.
     
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