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Rattan

Discussion in 'Non-Firearm Weapons' started by shing7890, Apr 3, 2009.

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  1. shing7890

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    I have a Ratan stick that I got from Smokey Mountain Knife Works. Its as tough as nails an it will get the job done if you have trouble with a bad guy.
     

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    Rattan: Filled up Bamboo

    That Rattan certainly is tough. And lightweight too!

    Therein lies it's deficiency.
    It certainly is suitable for thrusts and slashes, but for smashes and strokes
    it does not have sufficient mass behind it.

    Unless, you are exceptionally well trained and can focus your body weight behind it.

    Now, I would not want to be struck in the head with it; headache time, but
    for skull cracking, Mushashi style, I think a heavy oak or other substantial hardwood would be more efficient.

    Doubtfull? Just try to imagine driving off a heavy weight Pitt Bull in the fury of attacking your little loving pet with that Rattan.
    That Pitt Bull will look at you all the while it is eating your pet and in it's eyes you will see that it intends that you are next.
     
  3. CWL

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    There are probably millions (or maybe only hundreds of thousands) of escrima practitioners who would disagree with you, myself included. You don't need to bust a skull to take someone down with rattan batons.

    4' lengths of rattan cane is what is commonly issued to riot police in countries like India and Pakistan.
     
  4. KevinAbbeyTech

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    Yeah, if there's trouble, you can give them a good whooping. lol

    I think it could be very effective so long as pain is enough to bring them down.
    Deadly force could not be easily achieved with such a cane.
     
  5. shing7890

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    Thanks for your opinions!

    I thank you for your opinions and would also say that if you put the end of this cane in ones throat on the thrust or swing it should bring him down. I would also look for any tender spots on the body. Ears,top of hand,side of face,etc This would not kill a person on the tender spots but make him think twice about continuing his attack unless he is druged up on something then thats when conceal weapon comes in.
     
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    Increases in mass might break more bones. But increases in mass increase inertia affecting speed - and fatigue.

    A light stick such as the one described can be directed and redirected with significant speed and vigor. Just offhand; the ears, elbows, wrists/hands, outside the knees are four sensitive areas where a light stick can be used to smashing good effect.

    There are advantages to things heavier, and things lighter. While a sjambok is not going to smash any bones, with sufficient vigor, ferocity, and direction it can certainly be very effective,

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    Mr. Thomas has a point. I like rattan, as well as ramin, but I like canvas micarta sticks even better. They are of course very different, and the micarta is about 6x as expensive.

    John
     
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    All to often rattan is underestimated because of the lightweight of it.

    While it may be short of skull cracking, a high speed blow with rattan will split flesh resulting in a nasty wound similar to a sjambok. And a rattan will break the smaller bones of the fingers, hand, wrist. With one arm/hand out of action from structure failure, no attacker is going to be that hard to finish off.

    In our neighborhood watch group, is a Sikh. He's a pretty good size guy, about 6 foot or maybe a bit more, stout build. While the rest of us are carrying canes, walking sticks, pepper spray, Ram carries a 4 foot rattan staff. I've watched him practice with it, and I for one don't want to be in his way when he has that.
     
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    As someone trained in escrima and who also has had some training with cane and staff I assure you that you can easily kill someone with such a stick.
     
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    Rattan is odd stuff. It's been used for SCA swords for eons because there's no sharp pointy bits on the broken end when it breaks. Repeatedly hitting hard stuff with it turns it mushy.
    Whack a bad guy with an unpadded length of it and he'll know he's been hit, but it likely won't put him down. Certainly break wrists etc though. Elbows, noses, temples, kneecaps and wrists are your targets.
     
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    A good thrust into the right place will actually put most anyone down. Just one in the right place will very likely do it permanently.
     
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    From personal experience, rattan cane will CERTAINLY be enough to stop a threat. You do have to understand the characteristics of the material though. Light and strong but not a lot of weight. So unlike hickory, you are not going to swing it like a bat. Instead you are making short compact swings to build up inertia and speed. The tip speed can reach well over 110 mph. This is what you are striking with. If you hit with the "meat" of the stick, your loosing energy. One recommendation is to take off the rubber bumpers since that is your business end either with a strike or a thrust. But I would rather have a rattan staff/stick over a baseball bat anyday.
     
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    [​IMG]

    "James, I don't appreciate being stereotyped like that...say, is that a toothpick?"
     
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    conwict, if that 'little pup' has already got you by the privates and locked its jaw, I don't think application of rattan or hardwood is gonna make it let go.

    Maybe enough hammerblows using the base of a stick may eventually break its spine...
     
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    awesome

    "Conwict:"

    That dog looks tough enough, but some how in him I see a friendly animal.

    I would hope he would stay friendly!
     
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    Hehe, sorry, not trying to derail the thread. He's not mine, just a random "bully pit" I found on Google images. I think he looks like a friendly if vigorous dog, myself. I am gonna throw an actual pic of my dog in here with apologies to the original poster.

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    I have seen threads get off subject before, but how did we get from canes to dogs?
     
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    OK , back to the topic dudes. A stick gives you distance, and distance is your friend. Whatever system you have trained in, whatever material you use, use it, use it well, and, go home to a good meal.

    For those of you who went though basic training, remember the bayonet drill. Works with a stick also. If thats all the training you got. use it, but consider getting some more training.
     
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    You should try KIL sticks. These sticks are awesome. They last a lot longer and are heavier/denser. They're the only sticks I'll use in FMA training. Very nice stuff.
     
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    Just my 2 cents --- I have been hit hundreds/thousands of times in Eskrima , many times by our Datu or black belt instructors ----- we don't wear hand guards/wraps in sparring.

    I've had countless hits to my hands , arms etc ----- I've never dropped the rattan stick --- had blood drawn many times and a few times , after a full power hit -- I didn't feel like "playing" anymore.

    For my "battle sticks " I MUCH prefer Kamagong or another heavy wood.

    IMHO -- rattan sticks are good for speed/flow drills etc. but are a bit on the light side for breaking bone.


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  23. .45Guy

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    I turned this "walking stick" in shop class. It's made from 3 pieces of red oak, and pretty well balances out the light versus enough weight to do damage argument.
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    Rattan is awesome, it is light but dense enough to swing very quickly. Also, it doesn't splinter, just kind of frays.

    I train in Kali-Silat, we use rattan sticks.

    A light, properly pulled strike will raise a welt. In heated sparring (of which, I admit, I've done very little) a glancing blow, even pulled, tends to be very painful.

    I have no doubt that a full power blow would destroy whatever is hit, or at least disable it.
     
  25. bikerdoc

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    Very nice work .45 Guy.

    I want to get back to turning canes as soon as I find a friend with a lathe (Yes, I am cheap.)
     
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