I am wanting to buy an 1858 Remington .36 caliber revolver. On some sites it is listed as a New Model Navy made by Euroarms on others (Cabelas) it is listed as a New Model Army Police made by Pietta. Both pistols have a 6.5 inch barrell and seem to have the same dimensions. Does anyone know if Euroarms and Pietta are the same company and that I am looking at the same pistol with a different manufacturer cited; but in reality both made by Pietta? If not is there any quality difference with Euroarms and Pietta? My biggest issue is that Cabelas has theirs for about 10 dollars more; but offers great customer service and guarantees. The retailer that carries Euroarms says that the manufacturer provides the warranty and they, the retailer, can provide no warranty coverage themselves. Warranties and grarantees are a big issue for me since all of these pistols are made in Italy.
RE: Euroarms vs. Pietta?
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flibuste
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hello,
There are some difference between Euroarms and Pietta : the main is the size of the gun.
I have observed that replica of Rem 1858 cal.44 can vary a lot regarding their size and consequently their weight: size of the grip, thickness of the frame and the barrel.
As a rule I have noticed that 1858 replica of Uberti or Pietta manufactured 40 or 30 years ago are much smaller and lighter than the same manufactured recently. Conversely, Euroarms seems not to have changed and kept small and light.
As for the cal.36, the Pietta replica will probably be much larger and heavier than the Euroarms one : better have both in hand before choosing.......
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and
There are some difference between Euroarms and Pietta : the main is the size of the gun.
I have observed that replica of Rem 1858 cal.44 can vary a lot regarding their size and consequently their weight: size of the grip, thickness of the frame and the barrel.
As a rule I have noticed that 1858 replica of Uberti or Pietta manufactured 40 or 30 years ago are much smaller and lighter than the same manufactured recently. Conversely, Euroarms seems not to have changed and kept small and light.
As for the cal.36, the Pietta replica will probably be much larger and heavier than the Euroarms one : better have both in hand before choosing.......
Regards
and
First of all, Euroarms and Pietta are two distinctly different companies; there is no relationship between the two.
Second, to amplify a bit on what Filbuste said: The original Remington guns were made in two versions: .44 cal 1858 New Army and .36 1858 New Navy; the designs were very similar except the .36 cal version was on a smaller frame and had a shorter barrel. The Pietta replica .36 cal version of the 1858 is in reality a .44 cal 1858 New Army with .36 cal cylinder and a shorter barrel (also in .36 caliber, of course). Said another way, it is a .36 on the .44 New Army frame. The Euroarms replica is on the smaller .36 cal New Navy frame, more ike the original New Navy, so they are quite different despite the caliber and barrel similarities.
Second, to amplify a bit on what Filbuste said: The original Remington guns were made in two versions: .44 cal 1858 New Army and .36 1858 New Navy; the designs were very similar except the .36 cal version was on a smaller frame and had a shorter barrel. The Pietta replica .36 cal version of the 1858 is in reality a .44 cal 1858 New Army with .36 cal cylinder and a shorter barrel (also in .36 caliber, of course). Said another way, it is a .36 on the .44 New Army frame. The Euroarms replica is on the smaller .36 cal New Navy frame, more ike the original New Navy, so they are quite different despite the caliber and barrel similarities.
Euroarms better quality?
Is the Euroarms a better quality reproduction since it is closer to the original revolver? It sounds like Euroarms may be trying to emulate the original weapons. I wonder if the "smaller" frame of the Euroarms is more accurate when shooting.
Is the Euroarms a better quality reproduction since it is closer to the original revolver? It sounds like Euroarms may be trying to emulate the original weapons. I wonder if the "smaller" frame of the Euroarms is more accurate when shooting.
Any difference in "accuracy' will depend entirely on the shooter's phisiology and ability to take advantage of the way the frame fits his/her hand. No way to predict that.
Euroarms reputation for quality is about the same as Pietta, perhaps a bit less in the last couple of years. Not likely to be a factor, really.
Euroarms reputation for quality is about the same as Pietta, perhaps a bit less in the last couple of years. Not likely to be a factor, really.
Euroarms quality?
The whole issue about Euroarms quality is a concern. As mentioned, S&S Firearms who I am considering getting the Euroarms from, offers no guarantee or warranty on its firearms. All that is offered is the manufacturer's guarantee. I hate to spend a little over $200.00 on an item; and then not get guarantee repairs or exchanges if the item is defective.
The whole issue about Euroarms quality is a concern. As mentioned, S&S Firearms who I am considering getting the Euroarms from, offers no guarantee or warranty on its firearms. All that is offered is the manufacturer's guarantee. I hate to spend a little over $200.00 on an item; and then not get guarantee repairs or exchanges if the item is defective.
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For what it is worth I have three euroarms remington revolvers (all .44 cal) and they work fine.
Shotgun Willy
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I've got a Euroarms Remington NMA from the '80's and it's a very nice weapon. It does have much smaller grips than my Colt clones and, since I have big hands, I'm all over the target with it. :banghead: It just moves around in my big old mitts. My wife likes the feel of it better because she has little bitty hands.
flibuste
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"gungrip" grip for Rem 1858
hello,
I have fitted "ivory" and "stag" grip bought in USA to old Rems and it helps the comfort and handling because the grip are thicker than original ones (I have big hands and was very uncomfortable with the thin and small original grips):
http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=66&u=11021458
http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=54&u=11021458
http://poudrenoire.forumactif.com/a...es-et-le-tireur-f7/plaquettes-stag-t12296.htm
http://poudrenoire.forumactif.com/vos-cartons-f28/gravure-ivoire-et-precision-rem-1858-t12070.htm
Regards
hello,
I have fitted "ivory" and "stag" grip bought in USA to old Rems and it helps the comfort and handling because the grip are thicker than original ones (I have big hands and was very uncomfortable with the thin and small original grips):
http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=66&u=11021458
http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=54&u=11021458
http://poudrenoire.forumactif.com/a...es-et-le-tireur-f7/plaquettes-stag-t12296.htm
http://poudrenoire.forumactif.com/vos-cartons-f28/gravure-ivoire-et-precision-rem-1858-t12070.htm
Regards
Steve499
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I have a Pietta 1858 Remington replica and I had one made by Euroarms. The Euroarms frame was noticeably smaller with a few other differences you could see when they were side by side.
I have two Uberti revolvers, one Pietta revolver and I had that Euroarms revolver and still have one Euroarms rifle. The Pietta is the best shooter, one of the Ubertis was the prettiest and the smaller framed Euroarms had nothing wrong with it but left because the trigger guard rapped my knuckle painfully on every shot. As far as the relative quality goes, I personally think there is so much gun to gun variation with all the Italian makers that choosing a best one is quite difficult. Choosing a worst one is EASY. Palmetto.
S&S firearms, by the way, are a great bunch to deal with and will bend over backward to please their customers.
I have two Uberti revolvers, one Pietta revolver and I had that Euroarms revolver and still have one Euroarms rifle. The Pietta is the best shooter, one of the Ubertis was the prettiest and the smaller framed Euroarms had nothing wrong with it but left because the trigger guard rapped my knuckle painfully on every shot. As far as the relative quality goes, I personally think there is so much gun to gun variation with all the Italian makers that choosing a best one is quite difficult. Choosing a worst one is EASY. Palmetto.
S&S firearms, by the way, are a great bunch to deal with and will bend over backward to please their customers.
Gaucho Gringo
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At $199.99 for the .36 cal 1858 New Army Police that Cabela's has that would be the one I would buy if I was going to buy one. The price and Cabela's warranty policies makes it in my opinion. Both of my cap & ball revolvers are made by Pietta and I am happy with both of them. As far as the choices you have outlined, I would go with the Pietta from Cabela's.
scrat
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id go with cabelas. great prices and they stand behind there product.
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