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RE: Oleg's Dating Pic

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by m0ntels, Oct 17, 2005.

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  1. m0ntels

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    I was thinking of the last picture posted with the dad polishing his rifles and talking about being careful dating his daughter. That got me to thinking...

    Assuming they were both of an appropriate age, what would you or your sig other do/feel/say if you discovered the date had a CCW on them, and up until now, no one knew about it. For example, daughter's date takes off his coat when they come over to meet you, and he accidently flashes a pistol butt and doesnt notice, but you do. Would you mention it? Would you toss him out? Would you see it as repsonsibility or a sign of no good, etc?

    I figure I already know how daddy would feel if his son brought home a girl that was packing. :D

    Randy
     
  2. ID_shooting

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    That is a good one. I guess it would matter if he was some gangbanger wanna be or thug looking person. Hopfully my daughter won't go for guys like that, but you never know. I know we aren't supposed to judge people by thier appearance. But my reaction would certianly differ depending of my opinion of him.
     
  3. Technosavant

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    Not having daughters yet myself, I can't say for certain, but this is how I would plan to handle it:

    1) Comment on the gun. Ascertain his theory of self-defense, and make PERFECTLY clear that I expect him to use any and every means at his disposal to ensure my daughter's safety. I also expect her safety to be placed above his own.

    2) Talk guns. Set up a time to go shooting together. Get to know the lad; if everything else works out, you might be spending quite a bit more time together.

    However, if the boy is not legal to carry, she doesn't leave the house.
     
  4. Jeeper

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    Ask if he has a permit and if not she isnt going anywhere and the cops are getting called.
     
  5. Declaration Day

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    If someone my daughter was dating had a pistol, I'd ask to see his CCW. If he has one, I will feel more at ease knowing the background check he has passed.

    As for appearance, my daughters are not to bring home anyone dressed like a thug or a bum. I agree that judging by appearance is not always right.

    I see it this way: As young people, we tend to express ourselves visually, through the clothes we wear, jewelry, hair color, etc. Speaking from experience, I thought that my appearance defined who and what I was. As I grew older, I realized that my personality and my values defined who I was.

    Over the years I have "conformed" my attire (a sin according to kids) to the point that I blend in with the crowd. Since my appearance does not define me, I would be foolish to allow it to interfere with my career and other, more important aspects of life.

    If the young man my daughter brings home is mature, he'll have already figured this out.

    So I say, no thugs, hoodlums, or bums!
     
  6. cordex

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    From the other side ...
    When I was dating my wife, I went over to her parent's house fairly often. One day she decided she wanted to trim my hair. I took off my overshirt but left on my undershirt. My 1911 was very plainly exposed. No one said a thing.

    Some weeks later, I had taken my gun off and wrapped it in my jacket which I hid (or so I thought) in an out of the way corner of the room behind a sofa and later that evening I went into the kitchen for something. My soon-to-be mother-in-law decided to be helpful and hang up my jacket. As she picked the coat up, I heard a clunk. I walked back into the room and she handed the holstered pistol to me and with an embarassed look on her face said "Did I hurt it?"
     
  7. Lupinus

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    Im 19 (20 in three day's) so Im a little young for daughter's....let alone one's ready to date lol.

    But that said, I have never dressed like a hoodlom, a bum, or wore my pant's 3/4 of the way down my ass. Frankly I have alway's founf that the most idiotic style ever. So yes, it is possible to grow up and have common sense while your at it and not dress like a thug.

    If you pull up dressed like I thug. I will assume you are a thug. Or at the very least a wanna be thug, in which case you are even more dangerous cause your more likly to do something stupid to prove yourself. You dress baggy that's fine. But you dress like a thug you don't date my daughter. You can't respect her or my family enough to dress like a sensable human being sorry, bye bye. Come back when you gain some sense. On the same token, if your car sound's like a diseased fly (sounding like a dragster is acceptable on a case by case basis) or I can hear your crap music from three blocks away and it rattle's the glassware in the cabinate's you can turn your little punk butt around and be gone. I knwo you can be the most well meaning and mannered guy around. But not a risk Im taking and reguardless you need to grow a little sense.

    As to the gun. Based on thing's as a whole I will ask to see his permit, he doesn't have one he can go. If he does we will have a nice long predate talk. Based on how that talk goes he can either leave with or without my daughter and more or less of my respect.

    Least that's a priliminary current plan and thought lol
     
  8. Missashot

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    I think that if a young man wants to take my daughter out (MANY years from now), he will take enough time to dress nicely. She deserves enough respect from her date, for him to look decent (as she will not be leaving my home dressed like trash either). :neener: As far as the gun goes, If he is legal, it just saves me the trouble of doing my own background check. Also I will be expecting him to watch out for her if he is legally carrying. (That is unless I decide to go along too!):evil:
     
  9. Jac

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    I'm surprised how many here wouldn't let their daughter(s) go out with someone who is carrying "illegaly".

    I thought folks at THR believed in the inalienable right to keep and bear arms. As long as the kid's not a punk, or wannabe thug.

    Also... background check?!? A lot of people here carry concealed because they know it is up to them to protect themselves, yet they'll trust the cops to make sure their daughter's date is a good guy?:scrutiny:
     
  10. nfl1990

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    One thing you folks have not mentioned is that if you wish to ask to see a permit, (this is espeicially important if you think he is illeagal) it would be prudent for your SO to know and be prepared, and for you to be as well, (if he really is a thug it may prompt a violent reaction out of him)
    Also I'd be pissed he didn't ask permission to carry on MY property, (I know this is law in CT and I'm not sure where else), but laws aside I consider it common courtesy to ask.
     
  11. Declaration Day

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    I wouldn't take the background check as gospel, but it would put my mind at ease somewhat, while I make my own assessment of the young man, as I do with everybody I meet.
     
  12. reagansquad

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    I'm not planning on having kids for a while, but I imagine I'd talk to him about it... I might also invite him to the range. What a good chance to grill them though!
     
  13. exoduster18

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    Don't be surprised.....

    Don't be surprised that many people wouldn't let their daughters go out with someone carrying illegally....they are being sensible in that way. As parents they would want a young suitor to show that he was responsible in that he obtained the CCW license and exercised that right carefully. That shows the girl's parents that he is somewhat responsible and not a total idiot.

    Now, as for my own daughter (that I don't have, I'm am to young to be a father, I am in college and will have kids when I have settled down and decided I'm good and ready to have a family, besides I'm only 18), if he does have the permit then yes she may go, but if not, then forget it. If you can't be a responsible gun owner, I have to assume that you can't properly handle, so then if you can't treat a gun like a responsible person then why would I think that you could be respectful and responsible towards my daughter?
     
  14. Jac

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    What does getting a government permit have to do with being responsible?
     
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    What if his reply is well thought out and principled

    I too am surprised after some of the comments I've read on this board.

    Suppose he is a well dressed, well mannered young man, and when asked "Do you have a CCW?" His answer is a very polite, intelligent answer along the lines of...

    "Well sir, although this state has provisions for individuals with no criminal record to take a training course and receive a ccw permit, I declined to apply for one based on my political principle that such permits are a direct slap in the face to the Second Amendment"

    To all those who said "no permit, no date with daughter", would you still hold that opinion?

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  16. Jac

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    +1

    Well said!:cool:
     
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    If the young man in question were under 21 years old, he could only be carrying “illegally.” If he and my daughter were over the age of majority, I wouldn’t have much say in the matter anyway.

    ~G. Fink
     
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    If any of my sons bring home a girl who doesn't know how to shoot, I intend to teach her myself. ;)

    pax
     
  19. jojo

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    I have a 17 year old daughter and there is no permit that is going to tell me anything.
    I'll have a nice sit down with the young man (and have) and that is where the only assesment that I care about (other than my sons and wifes) will come from.
    I know several people that have carry permits, and I would never have given them one, they are irresponsible, drink and drive, and on I imagine.

    Decleration Day said it right.

    jojo
     
  20. Missashot

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    What would be a good reason for wanting my daughter to go out with a guy who carries illegally? :banghead: If he can't complete the requirements to carry legally, and still chooses to carry, then he has no respect for the law and his gun-totin' idea may end up getting my daughter in trouble if something were to happen. :mad: Depending on the situation.

    I think that most people here are trying to push to get more freedom to carry. Not to give Bureaucrats reason to cut what few freedoms that we do have. By condoning illegal acts such as illegally carrying a gun. (Which is a personal choice, but, as a parent, I dont' want it around my daughter.)

    I can't speak for anyone else, but I was joking about the back ground check. But make no mistake, I am a pretty good judge of character and if given any reason, I will snoop. But that is just me. If some hypothetical young man doesn't like it, he can carry his gun over to someone else's home and go out with their daughter. It is, after all, a free world. :)
     
  21. jamz

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    Doubly confusing as a parent if you live in Vermont or Alaska. ;)

    Can I see your...um...driver's license?



    When my daughter enters dating heart attack territory, I assume I'll have some other cues as to whether the guy is safe with a gun or not. Some cues will be visual, some verbal, etc.

    -James
     
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    I have an uncle who used to make sure the reloading press was going when his daughter's dates showed up. He would great them, gun on his hip, and taken them back to the reloading bench where he talked to them, while reloading, before letting them go out on the date.
     
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    I have 3 grandkids through my daughter. She turned out to be very conservative. Surprised me. I have no idea if her husband even owns a gun. Not my business to control others.

    I only got my first carry permit a few years ago but owned pistols for over 30 years. The parents of the girls I dated were (and still are) a non-issue. Not my business to be controlled by others.
     
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    no takers on my hypothetical?

    come on,...just picture it.

    Clean cut guy and his response is something like this

    "Well sir, although this state has provisions for individuals with no criminal record to take a training course and receive a ccw permit, I declined to apply for one based on my political principle that such permits are a direct slap in the face to the Second Amendment"
     
  25. exoduster18

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    Jac...

    It shows....at least to me anyways....that even though he may not agree with the laws.....he still follows them. That, in my mind, is sufficient to show that he semi-respects those in power above him.....I may not agree with the law but I will still tolerate it if it is tolerable.....just as the young gentleman should that wishes to take my daughter out. It shows that he was willing to follow the "paper trail" to get his CCW. That he was willing to go through the hoops and understand the laws governing it.
     
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