RE: Oleg's Dating Pic

[Lupinus]

And if no license is available?

I would take it into deeper consideration. But untill legal measure's are exhausted still likly would be agianst it. As it stand's today if a bunch of jersey pro 2a's walked around practicing open carry, it likly wouldn't solve much and wouldn't be the way to go as it wouldn't accomplish anything. In the future? Maybe it will and the time for force as nessisary will be needed. But that time has not been reached.

 

[EddieCoyle]

And if no license is available?

Kel, you're from Massachusetts same as me. I'm sure that you're aware of the mandatory one-year-in-jail penalty for carrying illegally. I live in a small town where young people often get pulled over when it's late.

I don't like the fact that there's a mandatory sentence for anything. I also think it is wrong to pull over a driver because it's late and he/she is young-looking.

However, there is no freaking way that I'm going to let my daughter go out with a guy - no matter how "nice" he appears - that is carrying illegally and risking a year in prison if he gets caught - there's just too much risk that he'll do something stupid.

 

[GunnyBob]

Not too many hard and fast rules in my home, but after a bad scene with a friend of a friend a few years back during poker night, I do ask that if you're carrying I'd like to know. Now, if a young man entered my home and did not tell me he was carrying I wouldn't be all that upset if he wasn't aware of the rules, but as I held him upside down by the ankle and checked out his carry piece with the other hand, I'd politely ask him if he was prepared to die as slow as he could to see my daughter home safely then let them be on their way if the right answer was forthcoming.

all the best

gunny

 

[exoduster18]

Jac....

Hey no problem....I enjoy it here at THR and don't wanna go away soon due to belittling someone in an argument.....that's not right to do to someone. It only becomes an argument when people start throwing accusations and names around. Debating is a fine art to be studied......I just enjoy it sometimes. Just so as long the person I'm debating with can debate with forethought and reason...not on emotions.

"It's my pleasure... nice to have a civilized debate once in a while." Yes, yes it is. lol

 

[Flyboy]

^^^Amen. I hang around here, and precious few other places, because of the quality of discourse. It's nice to have a place where we can disagree without fighting.

 

[Lupinus]

Nothing wrong with disagreeing at all. I rather enjoy a good debate. I have all but given up debate with liberal's though, it is mostly pointless and degrade's to personal attack's from them and point blank idiocy.

I think it is more a debate here about level of reaction or tactic's then whether there is a right to carry or bare arm's.

 

[bearmgc]

There are some very good reasons why some people don't have CCW's. Its because they were either turned down or didn't apply because they knew they would be turned down. A Gal at work asked about CCW, because a new guy she was seeing, carried, and he told her he was turned down for a CCW. He had decided to carry anyways, because "its my responsibility to protect the woman I'm with." How gallant, yet, she later learned he had been arrested for domestic violence with his previous wife. Carrying illegally not good.

 

[Jac]

Okay, new hypothetical.

Guy shows up, clean cut; slacks, button down shirt, maybe even a tie; and a roscoe strapped to his hip, in plain sight. He's 21, and open carry is legal.

Dads?

 

[Flyboy]

Carrying illegally not good.

So, as I travel benignly from Oklahoma to Ohio, and drive through Illinois, I'm morally wrong if I fail to unload my 1911 and put it in the back of my vehicle? Who am I hurting?

Blanket statements not good.

 

[Jac]

There are some very good reasons why some people don't have CCW's. Its because they were either turned down or didn't apply because they knew they would be turned down. A Gal at work asked about CCW, because a new guy she was seeing, carried, and he told her he was turned down for a CCW. He had decided to carry anyways, because "its my responsibility to protect the woman I'm with." How gallant, yet, she later learned he had been arrested for domestic violence with his previous wife. Carrying illegally not good.

Did she ask why he couldn't get a permit? Do you know the specifics of the arrest? "Domestic violence" in this country nowadays could be raising your voice, if the wrong neighbor hears, or the SO is real mad at you.

Not trying to shoot holes in your story, but hearing about guys who can't get guns because of a "domestic violence" incident doesn't have the same ring to me that it might once have had.

 

[Lupinus]

Guy shows up, clean cut; slacks, button down shirt, maybe even a tie; and a roscoe strapped to his hip, in plain sight. He's 21, and open carry is legal.

Well if my daughter is 16 and he's 21 im taking his gun and pistol whipping him

But aside lol

If it is legal it's legal. He get's an interview if he seem's well centered enough say kid's have fun. And I don't care how you dress. I mean if you dress radicly in one direction that's one thing. But so long as you dress decently and respectfully im fine. Short's, jean's, tight, baggy, whatever. Just not extreme or with stupidity. And he can dress all the clean cut he want's he's still getting the interview. Most of the time those are the sneaky one's you have to look out for

 

[EddieCoyle]

Okay, new hypothetical.

Guy shows up, clean cut; slacks, button down shirt, maybe even a tie; and a roscoe strapped to his hip, in plain sight. He's 21, and open carry is legal.

Dads?

No.

Slacks? My Mom uses that word; I thought she was the last one.

Clean cut, button down shirt, tie, slacks, and a gun? Sorry Pal. Way too creepy. Sounds like the kinda guy that wears a gun so that guys like me wouldn't give him a wedgie. My daughter can do better.

 

[Lupinus]

Jac-
I agree completly with what you said on domestic violence. If you're a man and your SO get's ticked off at you you're pretty much screwed. Heck, even without marking's she could probably get you arrested and convicted.

As for the yelling that is the most BS of it all. I admitidly have a bit of a temper and it isn't exactly hard to get my voice raised. It is EXTREMELY hard to get me to the point I am violent. I have blown up once in my life at someone, and even then I wouldn't hit them, put a hole in the wall (which for my family, one hole in the wall by my age is a bloddy miricle) and got loud. Admit I went overboard. But I have alway's maintained control to the point I will NOT lay my hand's on someone, even if I sound like it. And actual fight's have been extremly rare, I have never actually stated a fight in all truthfulness.

All couple's fight at one time or another. Hell anyone that live's together fight's once in awhile reguardless of relationship. Fight's often mean raised voice's. That doesn't mean someone is about to get clobbered.

 

[Jac]

No.

Slacks? My Mom uses that word; I thought she was the last one.

Clean cut, button down shirt, tie, slacks, and a gun? Sorry Pal. Way too creepy. Sounds like the kinda guy that wears a gun so that guys like me wouldn't give him a wedgie. My daughter can do better.

Chinos? Dockers? Khakis? What?

I wear slacks, and I'll be 21 in 2 months. Color me geeky.

 

[EddieCoyle]

Chinos? Dockers? Khakis? What?

I wear slacks, and I'll be 21 in 2 months. Color me geeky.

Why would you wear a gun to pick up a date? Are you trying to scare or trying to purposely intimidate her Dad? Impress the girl? Feel that the only way to protect her is with a gun? Afraid someone will try to steal your slacks?

 

[Lupinus]

Eddie-
I'd rather my daughter have someone that's clean cut. Not a sissy, but hey if that's her type that's her type. So long as the type she pick's isn't dangerous and on the individual level he is a good guy all is well, I'm not going to dictate to exactly who she date's so long as he isn't extreme.

And what if he is trying to clean up and make a good impression or take her someplace nice? Hell, if my daughter could be so lucky as to find a good guy that can take care of himself and dress up and interact with the move upperclass folk's, I'd be mighty proud of my little girl.

 

[Lupinus]

Chinos? Dockers? Khakis? What?

I wear slacks, and I'll be 21 in 2 months. Color me geeky

I'll be 20 in 2 day's (ok 2 day's and 15 minute's, close enough heh)

I often wear khaki's but I prefer jean's.

Why would you wear a gun to pick up a date?

Same reason I would carry a gun anywhere. Self protection and preservation, as well as her's.

 

[EddieCoyle]

Same reason I would carry a gun anywhere. Self protection and preservation, as well as her's.

Yeah, but you can't. You're not old enough.

 

[Jac]

Why would you wear a gun to pick up a date? Are you trying to scare or trying to purposely intimidate her Dad?

Not saying I would; I think it would be rude... it was just a hypothetical.

 

[EddieCoyle]

I'm not going to dictate to exactly who she date's so long as he isn't extreme.

Slacks, a button down shirt, and a tie at my daughter's age IS extreme.

 

[Lupinus]

Yeah, but you can't. You're not old enough.

When I am old enough then, since I don't carry one now and wont till I legaly can.

 

[Jac]

When I am old enough then, since I don't carry one now and wont till I legaly can.

Heh... you're big on legal, aren't you?

 

[Lupinus]

Slacks, a button down shirt, and a tie at my daughter's age IS extreme.

You were forced to wear slack's as a kid wern't you?

How is it extreme? If that's how he want's to dress it's how he want's to dress. Maybe he intend's to take her someplace nice?

Now don't get me wrong. If he show's up in a Pee Wee get up....we need to have a serious talk man to...pee wee...but just cause the boy can dress nice doesn't make him a weirdo.

 

[Lupinus]

Heh... you're big on legal, aren't you?

I don't see a reason not to be. Do I like it? No, I think I am old enough to do anything I want as far as the law goes, should be allowed to buy and carry a handgun to. But why risk it? Should I conceal one now? So if something happen's and I get caught with it I will never be allowed to own one agian let alone carry one? I can wait a year to carry it legaly, it is better then never being allowed to as long as current law's remain the same. In the mean time, if something come's up for me to get it changed I will do my damnedist to try and get it done.

 

[Byron Quick]

Doesn't really apply to me. Sadly, I have no daughters. If I did, then my daughter would be packing. CCW? He's got a CCW as far as I'm concerned. It's called the Second Amendment. I'll leave the permit thing to the statists. I'm not one.

Now if he wasn't carrying a pistol, I'd have a talk with my daughter about her standards in regards to dating boys. I don't hang around with people who are not responsible for their own defense. At all. Yes, such an attitude curtails one's social life. So what? I've always preferred quality to quantity. YMMV.

Yeah, but you can't. You're not old enough.

If I did have children, they'd be carrying by the time they were going on dates. If I didn't consider them mature enough to take responsibility to carry and defend themselves then they wouldn't be going out alone. First offense carrying without permission is a misdemeanor in Georgia. It does not bar you from getting a carry permit nor purchasing firearms.
Put it in the balance: My teenager's life in one pan and a misdemeanor in the other. I'll gladly pay the fine.

To beat all the naysayers to the punch. Those who want to hold up the lack of maturity of adolescents. Sure, in many cases. On the other hand, the most responsible and mature individual that I have ever known; reached that level of maturity and responsibility at the age of fifteen.