Real ID

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Well here's my take and what I've posted to start this topic on other boards.

Here's what people don't get. To "ease Society's fears and concerns with privacy," the Federal Government has so graciously said "People, people, please don't worry. Your data will be safe. We are allowing a private third party vendor to host all the information. We will closely monitor their safety and protection mechanisms of your data by one of our infinitely incompetent oversight committees." Also, the government will NOT be storing this data so you have no worries in regards to some sort of National Governmental Database being created where we can monitor your every move. <rolleyes>

Well, all the Sheeple said "ohhh, how wonderful! Our data will be safe. The government is going to take care of us, AND stop terrorism and illegals." There are so many holes in this flawed thinking. Here's the biggest and the one that should concern most people. Since all the DMV data will NOT be stored by the government, but a private COMMERCIAL third party, this makes it in a sense purchasable goods. Think ChoicePoint. So now, your DMV data is purchasable to anyone INCLUDING the government. What does that mean? Means elimination of some of your 4th amendment rights. No longer will they need warrants to check up on that database, which over time will come to serve as a central database of information. They can just create a PO, and wait on the invoice.

Think of Social Security and how it started as just a "retirement program" and even stated on the back of the SS cards that "This number is NOT to be used for identification purposes." Yeah, that lasted maybe 30 years and then EVERYONE is using SSN for identification. You can't hardly take a dump w/o giving an SSN now. So imagine where this REAL ID program and it's database will be in 10 years since we move so much faster now.

Here's the issue. Sure the gov't has everything on me already (supposedly). But think of this. Bars are now scanning licenses both optically and the bar codes on the back.

The End of Anonymous Drinking - http://www.thejemreport.com/mambo/content/view/385

How long before every commercial entity is scanning your ID for whatever reason?

People say take off your tin foil hat. But how long before anything and everything we do is cataloged and stored in some database somewhere. Yes, I know the gov't has most everything on me, but why continue to add to the fire. This just makes it easier on them. That's like the argument from the sheeple that "I've got nothing to hide, so why should I care about the (un)Patriot Act? Or any other surveillance measure (ie. Wiretaps, etc)?"

Civil liberties are not being taken away over night. They are taken away slowly and gradually.

Folks, this REAL ID is a REAL problem and a REAL threat. It will NOT stop terrorism and it will NOT stop illegal immigration. Just like more gun control laws will NOT stop gun crimes. It may be too late now, but at least we have 6 more years. And if it's like any other government programs, I'm sure there will be plenty of states that can't reach compliance by then and will get an "extension." Let's hope your state is one of them.
 
This one will be closed very soon - not gun related - but as an aside, I heard on the news that the Real ID will only be required for people under the age of fifty. Strange...the movie "Logan's Run" comes to mind.

Biker:uhoh:
 
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And when you purchase a new firearm you will be required to show your 'nem' ID. How long do you think it will take big brother to tag your ID with your gun info.

Ohio already tags your auto and drivers liscense with your CCW info.
 
Nothing to forgive, I'm just tellin' you what's gonna happen. If a thread is not gun related, it will go the way of the dinosaur.

Biker:)
 
Like some have already stated I think this will make it much easier to tie gun purchases with our ID's. I'm sure this is being done already though through some backdoor registration. libertyguns9- I have always laughed at the ones who said take off your tin foil hat because those will end up being the ones that wish they had THEIR tinfoil hats on. The thing that gets me the most though is that people think that only liberals are out for their guns and other freedoms when under this administration we've had some of the most draconian laws passed. People forget that both sides wish for us to lose our gun rights but one side just doesn't SAY it so much...
 
I would not at all be surprised to find that as part of the data associated in
the federal database used for the RealID was whether or not the person was a gun owner. The sheer volume of data the feds amass about citizens make it possible now to tie virtually any fact at all to an ID number.

As for the RealID not applying to those over 50....not exactly true. The law merely extends the requirement for those over 50 to subject themselves to this monstrosity by the year 2017 instead of the earlier date required of those under 50.
 
I would not at all be surprised to find that as part of the data associated in
the federal database used for the RealID was whether or not the person was a gun owner. The sheer volume of data the feds amass about citizens make it possible now to tie virtually any fact at all to an ID number.

As for the RealID not applying to those over 50....not exactly true. The law merely extends the requirement for those over 50 to subject themselves to this monstrosity by the year 2017 instead of the earlier date required of those under 50.
 
How long before every commercial entity is scanning your ID for whatever reason?
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+1....billion

This will end up a huge expansion of government power.

-go to a bar, scan your license
-write a check, scan your license
-rent a movie, scan your license
 
Thankfully my State is Against the Real ID bs.
If they ever decide to go along with it, I'll be moving to another Gun Friendly state that Refuses to buy into this garbage.

My take on it is it a stepping stone/excuse to Defacto Registration of literally everything (Guns & Ammo Included).
Don't think so? Look at the UK National ID system that they are basing the Real ID on, the UK one you have to use even for buying Food/Clothes.

Combine this with the much touted "Total Information Awareness" garbage that this administration is coming up with and you get a pretty grim picture indeed.
 
It has never been explained just how REAL ID is going to square with amnesty for about 12 million illegals. In order to get a REAL ID a US citizen has to show a birth certificate or passport. What does the illegal show? Is gas receipt from Circle K or a utility bill OK.
 
It has not been demonstrated adequately how any of our problems would be solved by REAL ID. But then those behind this are not really looking to solve any problems. They are looking for further means to consolidate power and control over the masses. Like gun control this is not about crime, its about control.

Just for those who are interested...the head of Homeland Security is named Michael Chertoff. Chertoff is a Russian name, in russia the suffix "off" means
of or son of. The literal translation of Chertoff is "son of satan" or "son of the devil". Curious circumstance eh?
 
Either way, when the GOP passes gun registration they will have DHS probably tie it into our RealIDs.
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My GOD the knee-jerk Republican bashing in this forum has hit ridiculous levels of late.

Fine, I'm sure our RKBA will be MUCH safer with the Democrats in charge of everything :rolleyes:
 
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