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Real or fake Ice Pick Dagger???

Discussion in 'Non-Firearm Weapons' started by rcmodel, Oct 10, 2012.

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  1. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

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    Is it real, or is it fake??

    1. Did my dad bring it home from WWII in 1944?
    2. Or did I make it in 1968?

    * 5 ½” x 5/32” spring steel shaft.
    * Diamond shape chisel tip point.
    * Brass Handle screws in & out of the brass tube sheath with a 1 turn twist.
    * Spring steel belt clip.

    And before we get into whether ice picks are real defensive weapons, or strictly for assassins?
    I highly recommend you never get one of these stuck in you up to the hilt and stirred round & round vigorously!!
    Just think really short Rapier!

    So, is it a fake WWII ice pick dagger, or a real ice-pick dagger from the Vietnam era??

    If you said #2?
    You win the cigar.
    I made it in 1968!

    And I did carry it a few miles clipped inside an OD green combat boot sock during the Vietnam era.

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    rc
     
  2. Deltaboy1984

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    Sweet , I carried an Ole Hickory Ice Pick in my boot for years when I was hitting the Road House type clubs in Eastern Ark and Western Miss and LA.

    Your would send someone to meet Jesus in short order.
     
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  3. Deltaboy1984

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    With RC's Ice Pick you can reach the Kidneys, heart or even better the liver all 3 will cause you knees to buckle and take the Vinegar out of your fight.
     
  4. hso

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    You overestimate the instant fight stoping of a pick used anywhere other than the head. There have many people with larger wounds to the liver and heart that carried on and were saved in an ER.

    RC,

    Nice piece of work. Did you ever see one of the OSS Pesketts?
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  5. lemaymiami

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    Well made!

    My first thought before reading your entire post was that there were many individually made knives in use during WWII and that yours was one more fine example. My second thought drilled into me by my Dad (28 years Army Engineers, from WW all the way through Vietnam) was that you were going to have to get entirely too close... if you wanted to use it...

    During a career in law enforcement I occasionally came into contact with someone carrying a serious blade, concealed and ready for use. My usual response (not always, depending on the circumstances....) was to disarm them by any means - and if they disagreed things got very nasty - and very quickly... We trained all of our officers to stay away from anyone suspected of having a blade or a sharp pointy thing. That was very good advice.
     
  6. CWL

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    It looks interesting, but the screw-in sheath makes this a novelty, not last-ditch weapon IMHO.

    With that said, I wish I had one.
     
  7. rcmodel

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    You'd be surprised how fast it comes out.
    A twist with finger & thumb as you grad it sets in spinnning, and it's out.

    rc
     
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    It a great looking pick and I would want to get stuck with it.

    Yes HSO some folks do die hard but 90% of the folks I have seen get picked in a bar fight hit the floor and didn't want to fight anymore. Plus lets not forget it was the Mobs favorite tool to quiet lookouts or an enemy.
     
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    They're useful for where you can catch someone unawares from behind. The OSS used a variety of interesting similar items. Heck, the Guardfathers that were so popular a few years ago were cool variants of an assassin's pick.
     
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    I think Lucky Luciano would have loved it!

    I think it is pretty cool and in my experience anything that makes you feel more secure while wearing combat boots for a living is great.

    -kBob
     
  11. Coop45

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    You made it in 1968, when the weather was too bad to get to Roy's in Hutchinson for ribs?
     
  12. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

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    I didn't have enough money to get to Hutchison, or to get ribs if I did in 1968.

    Unkle Sam didn't pay you very much to wear a green suit at the time!

    rc
     
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    I guess I just need a rib fix. LOL!!
     
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    It is a very interesting piece of Nam History!
     
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    Well in truth, neither it or I ever went to Nam.
    Like I said, it was Nam era and I was Army.
    I thought I was going to Nam several times, but as it turned out, I didn't.

    I ended up staying stateside shooting for the 5th. Inf AMU pistol team, gunsmithing for them, and running a whole lot of guys through training ranges who did go.

    I still feel guilty about that sometimes.

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    Well Don't cause the Government kept our hands tied so we couldn't win. I lost one cousin in Nam and the other one took 30 years to get his head back on straight.
     
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    RC... don't waste a minute of your time feeling anything about not getting to your "senior trip"... My Dad did two tours there towards the end of 28 year career that started in WWII. Me, I did a shortened tour in 1971 - and by then it was just plain ugly (lots of fraggings in rear areas, terrible racial conflicts, desertion under fire not being prosecuted, wholesale open drug use -lot's of it 97% pure China white....). Among other duties I was tasked with looking into some of the aspects involved in the fragging of a senior NCO... The killers set a claymore up on top of the sandbag revetment around his hooch, aimed it where his head would be while he slept, then tried to claim that it was a rocket attack...

    As my Dad said, "Kid, we're killing ten of them for every one of us... At that rate we'll quit first".

    No, you didn't miss anything worthwhile in my opinion. To this day I don't belong to any veteran's organizations and I was an Army brat, raised around the world when we were the greatest country around....
     
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    I was in the Navy for 27 years. I frequently served alongside soldiers and Marines, but I never went to Iraq or Afghanistan. I did do time in Eastern Europe and Africa.

    I don't feel guilty about what I didn't do because my role was a different role. Simple as that.

    N-ice pick, RC. You still making those?
     
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    You did not miss anything RC.
     
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    Are we done talking about RC's cool dagger? Because I will close the thread if anyone else wants to moan about how Vietnam was lost because of a lack of commitment and the loss of a .30 rifle. :rolleyes:

    John
     
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    I knew there was something about rc's "sharp" wit and wisdom, I couldn't put my finger on it until just now! Glad he's friend and not foe.
     
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    The Guardfather , previously mentioned was a neat 80s Soldier of Fortune back page sell (or maybe SWAT magazine too) that of course a couple of my buddies bought. I played with one and it was stout , and for someone with a needle phobia like me, scary looking. However even a brain hit or heart or whatever I think the human body tends to be self sealing to an extent , from what I have seen and heard. A blade that has severing capability has GOT to be MUCH faster debilitating in any circumstance I can think of and I doubt any would argue that.
    http://www.bladeplay.com/item--Guard-Father-OTF--443
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQYn_Ry5cVc
     
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    A writer I once knew used to bristle that he had to attend conventions where concealed anythings were a no-no. He took an old engineers pencil which was a mechanical pencil that used a very thick "lead" and teplaced the lead with a bicycle spoke. He carried it in cities where any sort of weapon might get him in serieous trouble reasoning that it was easily dumped at little cost. He sharpened the bicycle spoke with a chisel point. Thus he had an ice pick like weapon with some cutting ability.

    In NYC one day he was accosted by tw othugs one with a butcher knife. Out came this thing and the spoke was deployed while he made a fuss. He said they both got bug eyed turned and ran away leaving he and his wife alone.

    Worked perfectly.

    -kBob
     
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