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Reasonably priced pistol caliber carbine suggestions

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by braindead0, Mar 24, 2003.

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  1. braindead0

    braindead0 Member

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    I'm thinking about getting a pistol caliber carbine, mostly for 3-gun matches.. My other option (don't laugh) would be a marlin level action .357.. cause I think it'd be fun to shoot 3-gun with a lever action "carbine"..

    So, what other options are there in the inexpensive category, I've been thinking about a hi-point.. but just the other day at a plate shoot I was partnered with a guy shooting a borrowed hi-point, it jammed up and I had to take down 28 of the 31 plates with my revolver..lucky for me I was on a roll ;-)

    Oh, and I don't have any semi-auto suitable for a carbine upper, so that's not an option really... Just wondering what else it out there.
     
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    Check out the new Beretta CX4; it takes the same mags as the 92/96 and Cougar pistols, and it's supposed to sell for the same price as one of their handguns. I saw these at this year's SHOT show, and I think they'll be a hit.
     
  3. braindead0

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    Hmm, does that mean 'full-cap' magazines are available?

    And it doesn't look like it's available yet... or at least not on the web-site..or I couldn't find it ;-)
     
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    Kel-Tec Sub2000.
    9mm or 40.
    Choose from models that accept Glock, S&W, or Beretta mags.
    And, it folds to 16".

    Lots of positive press.
     
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    CX4 Storm - Still due out in May/June (according to the e-mail I received just this morning from Beretta USA). Price should be @$600-ish. From the looks, it threatens to be a near perfect pistol caliber carbine. I'll be buying one, if for no other reason, it's the only true "lefty friendly" PCC out there.

    Kel-Tec Sub2000 - Available now. Price @ $300 + or -. See www.ktog.org for all sorts of opinions, mostly positive.

    Ruger PC9 - Eh. @$450-ish. A very standard looking rifle that fires pistol ammo and uses Ruger or Glock mags (with conversion).

    Building your own 9mm AR. @$650-ish, for the base rifle, plus any accessories you might want. I was doing much research on this myself before the CX4 came along.
    Here's my research in a nutshell. Of course, my rifle came out to $915, but that's my "end product" rifle with left-handed accessories, a different stock, and an ARMS #40. You might still be able to find cheaper parts elsewhere to shave off a few more $$$. It's an Excel file, and if you delete or add new accessories, the price will update accordingly.

    It's also seperated into "upper" and "lower" parts in case you wanted to do a "home layaway". And since the upper is purchased as a "complete" unit, there are no special tools required to build this rifle. Only the lower need be assembled at home.
     

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    Well, that's prices it outta the reasonable range (for me). I wouldn't get enough use out of it to justify $600 ish..

    I could probably get away with $300 ish, but any more and I might as well buy my wife a new Kahr K9 (which she's really wants)... cause last gun purchase was mine ;-)
     
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    I wouldn't bail on a Hi Point carbine just because of that. It could have been a bad mag, a bad round or even op error. I know a couple of guys who like their carbines. Plus with just a little luck you can find them lightly used for under $100. The lever action while being cool and fun wouldn't work very well. Round counts in 3 gun shoots often run 20 or more. The reloads would kill any chance of posting a good score. The 357mag would be better at range than the 9mm but not enough to even come close to offsetting the downside. The best bet for the money is still a Hi Point carbine. IMHO.
     
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    Yeah, I'm still leaning in the hi-point direction. As far as the lever action, I wouldn't get much in the way of time-points.. but I think it has far more cool points ;-).

    Besides, I compete against myself in IDPA and nobody else.. so the overall time wouldn't be an issue.. But them .357 marlin lever guns are pretty expensive too.. ;-)
     
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    I've got a lightly used Ruger PC-9 I might be willing to part with. Lemmee know if interested.
     
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    How about the Marlin Camp Carbine ? Nice little package and in 45 cal or 9mm.
     
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    If you're a 1911 shooter, consider the Mech-Tech carbine conversion unit, with 16" match barrel & rather minimal stock. It takes the 1911 frame & magazines - assembly is fast. The carbine is VERY accurate and price is a bit over $300. Dillon sells it, and they have a web site, too. Oh, I didn't mention, the CCU is a LOT of fun to shoot, and just the thing to take to the range if you're lonesome. Lots of people will come over & talk with you...

    :cool:
     
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    No experience with the High Point but KelTec, Ruger and Marlin.

    If it were me and my money, I'd go for the KelTec in 9mm with either S&W or Beretta mags. Lot's of reliable firepower for little cash outlay plus the fold-it-up factor... if that's a factor for you.
     
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    Sub2K

    I'll second the Sub2K, it's a hoot to shoot. :D
     
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    Now there's something that totally slipped my mind.. how's the market for M1 carbines.. and what about ammo availability (I'd hate to reload for that, cause It'd be so much fun to shoot).

    Hmm, hi-cap magazines..I'd think there would be tons.. how about folding stocks..hehe.. that could be mucho fun.
     
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    Try to find a cowboy action shoot before you decide on a lever. If you are willing to practice you can leave'em with their mouths hangin open. I went to a cowboy shoot and left with a lot of respect for those guys. There are a lot of them who can really nail it.
    Gerald
     
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    M1 Carbine ammo is cheap... NatchezSS.com has S&B ball at $8.25 per 50 rounds. For defensive/hunting you will want hollow soft points... Wideners is currently sold out but usually stocks Soft Point at $12.50 per 50.

    Mags run $10-35 for 15 or 30 rounders. I hear that 15 rounders are more reliable, and they also allow you to lie prone with the weapon.

    Accuracy averages between 3-5 MOA, but there's more than enough to give 'hell to a beer can at 50 yards' with iron sights.

    Now that I have your attention, check out my thread here on THR regarding putting a red dot optic on an M1 Carbine and let me know your thoughts.

    -sven
     
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    I'll give the Hi-Point another vote, I just shot mine today for the first time and had no problems after 375 rounds. For the price, I'm impressed.
     
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    I like my hipoint... its a pain in the *** to take down, and mine has issues w/HPs. but w/ FMJ its never had one problem. I am working on getting a new sighting system or something of the sort for it... it holds a decent group as well. not bad for $92!

    HEres a pic, I did a stock refinish on it as well. my re-done 10/22 is also in the pic.

    ~Brian
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    I walked in your mocassins!
    I bought a 357 mag Marlin and I loved it -- still do. I bought an M1 Carbine because of the round count in 3 gun matches and because I always wanted one. The M1 was an IAI, priced at $399. The IAI was defective and was returned. The repair was defective and also returned. After about three months, I complained and IAI sent me a new gun. I went up to the store and examined it today. It was defective. They offered me a choice of any IAI carbine they had in the store. I checked all four. Three were defective and the fourth was UGLY. I took the ugly one with a miserable birch stock. I shot the last three gun with my Marlin because the IAI wasn't working. Got applause on the first stage, which had a ten round COF. The second stage had a twenty round COF -- no applause but they weren't laughing either. Buy a USGI 30 M1or a PC9.
    Good Luck
     
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    I wonder if I could make a new stock for the Hi-point...folding of course, now that'd be interesting.
     
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    my vote's for a Ruger PC9 with the ghost ring sights.

    personally i wish they'd make a .45 version, but then again even if they did, others would complain that since that the unconverted ones only use the standard ruger mags it wouldn't hold a full 10 rounds (don't know if there is a glock 10 rounder .45 out there or not).
     
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    Promag makes one... At $24.50, you could buy one and play with it to see if it's a keeper or yet another ProMag loser.

    ;)

    I think it was a huge mistake that (although incredibly expensive) HK didn't make the USC take USP mags, rather than coming up with a completely new, proprietary 10 round mag.

    Beretta is making a similar mistake IMHO. They are making a new 10 round mag to function in the .45 caliber CX4 Storm, when they should use an existing platform like the Glock, HK, or even Grease Gun mags. Beretta couldn't MAKE enough of those things if they packed 30 rounds of .45 in the US!
     
  25. chaim

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    I recently (a week last Sunday) bought a Hi Point. I figured it was getting good buzz here and on TFL (when it was active) and was quite cheap so it would be hard to go wrong. For my purposes, a cheap but fun gun, it is fine. However, I have had a few reliability issues (though it is still in break-in, only 150 rounds, so I'm not willing to say for sure that it is unreliable).

    Mostly there are mag issues. The spring doesn't seem to be very good. The rounds aren't always at the right angle to feed. I'm thinking about seeing if Wolff sells replacement springs to see if new springs help (hey, it can't hurt and they're cheap). Usually that only affects the first round (if they aren't seated in the mag right they won't feed initially) but I have had one failure to feed mid mag as well. Usually, if I'm very careful about inserting the rounds and bang the mag against something hard (like I was taught to do against my helmet back in basic training) to be sure the rounds are positioned correctly it is usually OK.

    Still, it is a very fun gun at a very low price so it may be worth a try. Heck, the thing is so ugly I like it for that alone. In the two times I've been to the range with the Hi-Point I've probably had more comments and curious shooters than with any other gun I own.
     
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