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Rebecca Peters, IANSA 'Americans are paranoid'

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by TIZReporter, Jun 23, 2006.

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  1. TIZReporter

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    “I think that eventually, Americans will realize that their obsession with arming themselves in fear, in a paranoid belief that they're going to be able to stave off the ills of the world through owning guns, through turning every house into an arsenal, eventually Americans will go away from that.”

    Rebecca Peters
    President
    IANSA
    International Action Network on Small Arms

    Read the entire story at http://www.theinfozone.net/salw-news.html

    TIZ
     
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  2. Old Fuff

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    I hope she doesn't hold her breath... :evil:
     
  3. PlayTheAces

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    I kinda hope she does......
     
  4. CleverNickname

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    Rebecca Peters, you're paranoid from thinking that every gun owning citizen is a ticking timebomb/raving lunatic just waiting for something to set them off into a killing spree. Maybe if you stop thinking you can stave off the ills of the world through banning guns, you'll stop being so fearful.

    :)
     
  5. American By Blood

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    Projection is a beach...

    Call me crazy (and I'm sure Ms. Peters would), but isn't defense-minded gun ownership about meeting the evils of the world head-on in personal combat and taking responsibility for one's own well-being?

    It seems to me that social engineering is more from the "staving off" school.
     
  6. TCB in TN

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    Maybe Not

    Maybe she isn't paranoid, because I know that most of us will fight to protect our freedom, and most of these little organizations have as their stated goal at best the infringement of our 2nd ammendment rights, and worse case scenerio pitching the Constitution right out the window, then installing the UN charter or other such nonsense in its stead. Our willingness to fight makes us nuts in her book, and thus we cannot be allowed to keep our weapons. Sad to say, that there are many folks out there with the same mentality.
     
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    Maybe when their cease to BE ills of the world (ignoring the fact that shooting sports are just plain fun!) less Americans will turn their house into an "arsenal" (which in Rebeccaneese probably means two or more knives).
    Banning guns doesn't create a crime free utopia, it creates a cesspool for tyrany to fester and gives the upper hand to those who choose not to obey laws. Maybe that's her plan. Pick up a history book lady. :fire:
     
  8. espanola

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    Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after me.
    I don't think any of us believe that gun ownership will "stave off the ills of the world", but is can prevent some of them from overtaking me.
     
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    I notice it says the transcript is "edited". Does anyone know if this transcript is complete, or edited to make Ms Peters look better?
     
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    Hey, Rebecca....BITE ME.......!!!!!!
     
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    Yep....

    The U.S. of A. is a terrible, horrible place peopled with raving, paranoid gun nuts...she should stay as far away from us as possible.

    I don't remember inviting her to visit and I sure as hell didn't ask her opinion of our internal affairs.

    migoi
     
  13. John-Melb

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    Hey Beccy, I am an AUSTRALIAN gun owner, I've seen the opposite of the 'paranoia" you criticise. I've seen law abiding gun owners vilified in the cause of political correctness, I've seen people denied rights, including the right to join a political party on the basis of firearms ownership, I've seen countless thousands of privately owned guns, including priceless antiques and family heirlooms destroyed on the altar of your desires.

    Screw you, and screw the horse you rode in on too!:fire: :fire: :fire: :fire: :fire: :fire: :fire: :fire: :fire: :fire: :fire: :fire: :fire:

    To American gun owners, there is but one reply these cultural vandals understand, "touch my guns (again) and I will kill you, do you really want to be a martyr for your cause, as I read on another thread, blue helmets make great targets"
     
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    turning every house into an arsenal

    Definition, arsenal, from http://dictionary.reference.com:
    1. A governmental establishment for the storing, development, manufacturing, testing, or repairing of arms, ammunition, and other war materiel.
    2. A stock of weapons.
    3. A store or supply: an arsenal of retorts.
    This is likely Ms Peters' definition:
    1. A single firearm of any caliber or era.
    jmm

    ps. John-Melb's post has veered way off the High Road.
     
  15. MechAg94

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    We have had ample opportunities to learn our lessons about govt and gun grabbers. I guess she thinks we are stupid or have very short memories.
     
  16. TIZReporter

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    The NRA has issued a DVD of the debate.

    The only transcript of the debate which is also at http://theinfozone.net/salw5.html in case you do not want to visit the IANSA site, was edited apparently to remove many of the comments made by Lapierre.

    Regardless it makes for an interesting read.

    TIZ
     
  17. Henry Bowman

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    As infuriating as these grabbers can be . . . take the trash talk elsewhere. Steer this thread back to the high road, or it will be locked quick.
     
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    edited...

    Indeed.
    Where is an UNedited copy of the debate to be found?
    C-
     
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    Is this what you're talking about?;)
     

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    You don't need guns to handle the UN guys.

    In the first place the President everyone loves to hate put John Bolton in place just to stop this kind of silliness from getting anywhere in the UN.

    This administration isn't conspiring with the UN to take our guns.

    Cannot say that about the Democratic Party leadership I'm sorry to say.
     
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    I still hold the theory that what really torques most of us off about the U.N. is that there are no processes for which to stop them in terms of peacefully. We can't vote on their agenda, because there is no referendum. We cannot campaign against them, because we can't vote for the people at the U.N. and they ignore the soapbox, regardless of how loud we shout, or what it is we are shouting about.

    They talk about human rights, but offer no such rights in their Charter.

    They talk about self-determination, but many of their member states are police states, including one which still allows slavery.

    Theoretically, you have a right to religion, but only if you preach "tolerance," and there is no definition for exactly what tolerance means.

    They say we will protect you, you don't need guns, even as orgies of violence currently on the planet more or less prove the U.N. is impotent in saving themselves.

    While Melb's comment wasn't high road, what he describes is disarming of a people followed by political marginalization. In neither Britain, or Australia is what he said allowed. Think about the Smith Act. You have to threaten somebody. In Aussieland, or England, the government already can use postings like Melb's against him.

    And obviously, shooters are trying to politically fight this, and they are being denied. Ultimately, that country is acting just like the U.N. Abusing rights, then denying redress of grievances, and closing a defenseless people out of peacefull reform.

    Many of us share these beliefs with John-Melb about a U.N. come to our shores. Obviously, this kind of beast is in his homeland. We should not talk bad about him for wanting to chop of it's head when we would do the same. Of course he's mad. And we would be too.
     
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    I hadn't read that before; even in the edited version, Mr. LaPierre trounced her soundly.
    Nice Job, Mr. L.
    :)
     
  23. TIZReporter

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    I have a piece I just found this morning, it is a lecture by Alan Rock, who is still the Canadian Ambassador to the UN. Rock was the Liberal Minister of Justice who brought in Canada's gun control legislation.

    At the UN, Rock has been a force for more SALW controls, and under the Liberals, in Canada, for funding many UN anti-gun meetings.

    In this lecture to the University of Ottawa, Rock says, ""What do we do when we form our groups? Well, we bring people together, we organize Groups of Friends, we have events in which knowledgeable people speak, and we try to make sure the right actors, including members of the Security Council are there. We go and see Security Council members in their offices, we write letters, we go and see the president of the Security Council, we demand that something be put on the agenda, we draft resolutions, we show them what they can do. We demonstrate what practical steps they can take, and then we try to persuade them to take those steps.

    "We work closely with Non-Governmental Organizations. NGOs in New York at the UN are enormously influential, very capable and highly experienced. And some of these NGO’s have better intelligence about what’s happening on the ground than most governments. So the NGOs become valued and crucial partners, providing up-to-date information from people who are on the scene, and bringing the power of their advocacy in combination with ours to our shared purpose."

    What I think he is really saying is that the cozy relationship which has come to pass at the UN where governments and NGOs get together.

    When you look at the current US White House it is unlikely Bush would move against gun ownership.

    To count on that same process happening in the future is to hope against hope. A future administration could change that position in a moments notice.

    TIZ

    To read all of Rocks speech, the link it at http://www.theinfozone.net/salw-news.html
     
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    When you find out, let me know..
    My sister called me today. She and her husband went on a lil
    vacation this last week and while gone, 3 guys broke into their
    house and stoled her computer with a LOT of info on it, [not
    password protected], a lot of jewelry from yrs gone by including
    orig handmade jewelry our grandmother had received from her mother
    passed down, coins, vid cameras etc. My sister was pretty shook
    up. She is anti gun as well and won't stand for having a gun
    in the house. We were talking about the robbery, and one of
    the last things she exclaimed to me was this. " We're just happy
    we WEREN'T home ! Can you imagine what would of happened
    then ?"

    It took everything I had to keep my gums from bumping
    regarding a home and self protection mention/reply. Far as
    I'm concerned Peters is just as guilty as these robbers for
    trying to promote a slave/master agenda with her no self
    protection malarkey.
     
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    Paranoia is defined as the feeling that people are out to get you when such is not the case, however if and or when people really are out to get you, as is the case with anti gun aparachnicks such as Peters, who is it that might be described as being a couple of cards short of a full deck? Ms. Peters, or so it would seem.
     
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