mortablunt
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That was scary. I wish I could get a gun and carry here, but not being a state resident, and being in MD on a college campus, I'm rather doomed if a shooting happens.
Recent active shooter incident in AR has me reassessing my ccw choices
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Lawdawg45
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"You might want to swap that LCP for a S&W Bodyguard .380. It has real sights."
I did at one point, but I found the laser activation and mag release to be very awkward, and I prefer the non jamming more powerful .38 +P JHP, but that's just me!
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I did at one point, but I found the laser activation and mag release to be very awkward, and I prefer the non jamming more powerful .38 +P JHP, but that's just me!
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mortablunt
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We're suggesting handguns now? M1911, M9, Makarov PM, Glock 22
My usual test is "What do I want in my hand if I have to use it?" and while it has to be concealable that question makes choosing a larger pistol and extra ammo easier. I have a couple of pocket pistols but rarely carry them. With a good holster and belt it's not as hard as you might think to carry a Commander or similar. There are some very good compact 9s coming out too -- the Springfield EMP has become one of my favorite carry guns due to its good capacity and good sights but still light weight.
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In my hometown, the courthouse has metal detectors and sheriff's deputies manning each entrance. We get wanded, too if they feel like it. Security is very tight and as far as I know, we've not had any incident to cause it, other than wanting to be safe. It's a shame things like this have to happen as a result of some moron doing this. I don't know if everybody being armed would make much difference though. The problem is, if they let the wrong person in, there's a good chance he will harm someone before someone like me takes his will to fight away. At least with the metal detectors and tight security, there's no way he's getting in to begin with. I can't believe I said that, but it's true.
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I was just discussing the idea of "Gun Free" (for law abiding citizens) areas with a contractor I work with. He has been teaching SWAT and Couterterrorism tactics all over the world for almost 35 years. He mentioned that you didn't have the shooting in schools, courthouses and in perticular to our discussion, airplane hijackings when almost anyone could carry a pistol. This is long ago and even before many of our times but nevertheless, armed citizens with (back then) revolvers did more to keep the police in many ways than over 1 million LEO/Security people and the amost $2trillion spent on the very same goal in this country today. Want to balance the budget...get rid of the ATF, DEA, and scale dawn the overzelous office weenies with guns called the FBI and let people protect them selves. I'm not a LEO hater, work with them everyday, and have the utmost respect (for the good ones) but my safety is my responsibilty, not theirs. Let me take care of it!
I was just discussing the idea of "Gun Free" (for law abiding citizens) areas with a contractor I work with. He has been teaching SWAT and Couterterrorism tactics all over the world for almost 35 years. He mentioned that you didn't have the shooting in schools, courthouses and in perticular to our discussion, airplane hijackings when almost anyone could carry a pistol. This is long ago and even before many of our times but nevertheless, armed citizens with (back then) revolvers did more to keep the police in many ways than over 1 million LEO/Security people and the amost $2trillion spent on the very same goal in this country today. Want to balance the budget...get rid of the ATF, DEA, and scale dawn the overzelous office weenies with guns called the FBI and let people protect them selves. I'm not a LEO hater, work with them everyday, and have the utmost respect (for the good ones) but my safety is my responsibilty, not theirs. Let me take care of it!
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As one who will be joining the ranks of CCW holders this year, I've given a lot of thought to what my CC gun will be, and have given thought to what a BUG will be, if I decide it to be neccessary (rather than just a fun extra range toy).
After hunting and searching and researching and shooting and renting and so on, I came across a great deal on a 2nd gen S&W auto at my LGS that was priced well.
I bought my S&W 469 for $250, I've practice with it (not as extensively as I will when it's an EDC) I'm accurate with it, I like the feel of it (although will probably swap the factory grips for something a bit more comfortable) and it's size/weight/round capacity are exactly what I was looking for in a CC gun.
Having been under fire, albeit in a completely different situation than the OP has described, I know that I'd never want the feeling of not having "enough gun." Which is the main reason I won't carry anything less than a 9mm as a primary CCW.
But what stops the BG from pulling a gun and firing BEFORE he gets to the metal detectors and security guards with the wands? Considering some of the courthouse security I've encountered, they aren't the most on top of things.
After hunting and searching and researching and shooting and renting and so on, I came across a great deal on a 2nd gen S&W auto at my LGS that was priced well.
I bought my S&W 469 for $250, I've practice with it (not as extensively as I will when it's an EDC) I'm accurate with it, I like the feel of it (although will probably swap the factory grips for something a bit more comfortable) and it's size/weight/round capacity are exactly what I was looking for in a CC gun.
Having been under fire, albeit in a completely different situation than the OP has described, I know that I'd never want the feeling of not having "enough gun." Which is the main reason I won't carry anything less than a 9mm as a primary CCW.
But what stops the BG from pulling a gun and firing BEFORE he gets to the metal detectors and security guards with the wands? Considering some of the courthouse security I've encountered, they aren't the most on top of things.
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Do some research on the 10mm... glock G29 is subcompact and rides nicely inside the belt. The 10mm is veristale.. you can buy loads from 450ftlbs to well over 700ftlbs depending on your preference and application. If you are a outdoorsman,,,,, well its can be used for hunting back up or hiking.... Ive owned over 1O guns and the G29 is by far my fav
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Except for very rare, specialized circumstances, I carry at least one handgun that fills my hand, so I can handle it quickly and fire accurately in a hurry, that fires a duty/service-level cartridge. This is not difficult; a Ruger SP101 can fulfill these requirements, and are so pack-able that I usually carry two. An S&W K-frame or SIG P229 are almost as easy to pack.
Now that I think about it, I have not carried either of my J-frame snubbies in at least two or three years, as the weapons mentioned in the above paragraph are so easy to have with me.
As for pocketable autos, I have carried my Seecamp LWS-32 as a "primary" handgun less than half a dozen times, total, and only when I really, really needed to appear unarmed, in special circumstances. The Seecamp is the only pocket auto I have ever really liked to carry. I briefly owned a Walther PPK, and never learned to like it well enough to bother buying a holster for it. I tried Colt Mustangs for a while, too, but never warmed up to the idea of using them as carry guns.
My wife bought a Kel-tec .32, and I fired most of the break-in rounds for her. I
could not imagine pulling such a horrid little weapon in a gunfight, no matter
how reliable. It has been a paper-weight for years; even my wife does not like
carrying something so small.
It is not so much the cartridge power issue that keeps me from small handguns, as the desire to have a weapon that handles well under dynamic circumstances, and can place shots at widely varying distances.
Now that I think about it, I have not carried either of my J-frame snubbies in at least two or three years, as the weapons mentioned in the above paragraph are so easy to have with me.
As for pocketable autos, I have carried my Seecamp LWS-32 as a "primary" handgun less than half a dozen times, total, and only when I really, really needed to appear unarmed, in special circumstances. The Seecamp is the only pocket auto I have ever really liked to carry. I briefly owned a Walther PPK, and never learned to like it well enough to bother buying a holster for it. I tried Colt Mustangs for a while, too, but never warmed up to the idea of using them as carry guns.
My wife bought a Kel-tec .32, and I fired most of the break-in rounds for her. I
could not imagine pulling such a horrid little weapon in a gunfight, no matter
how reliable. It has been a paper-weight for years; even my wife does not like
carrying something so small.
It is not so much the cartridge power issue that keeps me from small handguns, as the desire to have a weapon that handles well under dynamic circumstances, and can place shots at widely varying distances.
FWIW, my carry practices will always be influenced by the fact that I defended myself and others from an "active cutter" in a post office parking lot, in a very "nice" part of town. Suicide by cop, of course, but the setting was a very "nice" area: three long blocks from the neighborhood where the old-money folks live, next door to the ballet office and training building, across the street from a trendy shopping center...
(I don't want to go off-topic, into carrying at a post office; just sayin' where my incident occurred.)
By the grace of God, nobody was injured in this incident, except for the bad guy. Once we locked eyes, it was a two-man incident from that point.
To this day, I want a weapon in my hands that I can shoot well, without thinking. Not a weapon that I must delicately hold just so, and must place my trigger finger just so.... Unconscious competence is the goal.
To this day, I want a weapon that points for me, as if God is guiding my hands. God gave me hands shaped as He intended, and blessed me with folks who designed certain grips that fit me. (I am very thankful for the efforts and skill of the man who designed the original factory grips for the GP100.) I do believe in using the sights, but if the weapon points well for me, already, I am ahead of the game. I looked over the top of my GP100 at the decisive moment...
While I am quite comfortable with other cartridges for defensive use, to this day, I have a deep and abiding affection for the .357 Magnum.
I am no hero; this story is for teaching/learning purposes. What one good man can do, another good man can do.
(I don't want to go off-topic, into carrying at a post office; just sayin' where my incident occurred.)
By the grace of God, nobody was injured in this incident, except for the bad guy. Once we locked eyes, it was a two-man incident from that point.
To this day, I want a weapon in my hands that I can shoot well, without thinking. Not a weapon that I must delicately hold just so, and must place my trigger finger just so.... Unconscious competence is the goal.
To this day, I want a weapon that points for me, as if God is guiding my hands. God gave me hands shaped as He intended, and blessed me with folks who designed certain grips that fit me. (I am very thankful for the efforts and skill of the man who designed the original factory grips for the GP100.) I do believe in using the sights, but if the weapon points well for me, already, I am ahead of the game. I looked over the top of my GP100 at the decisive moment...
While I am quite comfortable with other cartridges for defensive use, to this day, I have a deep and abiding affection for the .357 Magnum.
I am no hero; this story is for teaching/learning purposes. What one good man can do, another good man can do.
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Vern Humphrey
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The M1911 -- hundreds of thousands of Mexicans, Germans, Russians, Italians, Japanese, Viet Namese, and arabs can't be wrong.
If you use a 380 go kel-tec,LCP and body guard say not to use +P kel=tec says it;s ok just not all the time. I have a 9 round mag on mine with bufalo bore +P my wife has the same but the B.B. ammo kicks a bit so she has hydra shok with 10 rounds good ammo it is fine. I do like my P-90 .45 ACP but it's hard to hide. as far as "inaccurate" we both can at 30 feet cover 10 rounds with 1 hand. and we had a Cougar (4leg type) on our dog2 rounds 1 dead pound dead cat 1 saved dog. is a 380 enough? was that day and at for a gun that small a long range. shot a coyote at about the same range. so I feel good with them. bigger is better but you need to be able to hide and trust also. just my opnion.
R.W.Dale
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To me a 7 shot 1911 brings nothing to the table over my pf9 other than accuracy.
Since posting this I've been carrying a glock 34 with 17rds on tap and another 17 in a reload. I'm very accurate with it its fast on followup and it conceales surprisingly well
Since posting this I've been carrying a glock 34 with 17rds on tap and another 17 in a reload. I'm very accurate with it its fast on followup and it conceales surprisingly well
Chiming in a bit late, but while obviously very subjective, risk assessment still involves statistical probability versus inconvenience and effectiveness of countermeasures to minimize that risk to an acceptable level.
Take riding my motorcycle as an analogy, I could be very safe simply choosing not to ride a motorcycle just as one can be quite safe just avoiding going out past dark or bad neighborhoods and the like. I enjoy the freedom and experience of riding though, but to minimize the risk I took the basic and advanced MSF courses and got protective gear... but its just a mid-tier helmet with a comfortable mesh jacket and gloves and boots which is a compromise. IMO, that is a reasonable compromise, just as my choice to go out nights with less concern of the neighborhood but carry a small meager capacity 9mm like my Kahr PM9 simply because its more convenient just like the mesh over full on one-piece racing leathers.
A single event near home doesn't change the real statistics (of which from my reading most encounters are not only rare but involve few shots and at very close range), so personally I'd just step back and evaluate if the extra effectiveness of a fullsize is truly worth the extra bulk... for my own life circumstances, a light mesh jacket and little 9mm are best especially since the inconvenience of carrying more protection might lure me into occasionally going out with nothing.
Take riding my motorcycle as an analogy, I could be very safe simply choosing not to ride a motorcycle just as one can be quite safe just avoiding going out past dark or bad neighborhoods and the like. I enjoy the freedom and experience of riding though, but to minimize the risk I took the basic and advanced MSF courses and got protective gear... but its just a mid-tier helmet with a comfortable mesh jacket and gloves and boots which is a compromise. IMO, that is a reasonable compromise, just as my choice to go out nights with less concern of the neighborhood but carry a small meager capacity 9mm like my Kahr PM9 simply because its more convenient just like the mesh over full on one-piece racing leathers.
A single event near home doesn't change the real statistics (of which from my reading most encounters are not only rare but involve few shots and at very close range), so personally I'd just step back and evaluate if the extra effectiveness of a fullsize is truly worth the extra bulk... for my own life circumstances, a light mesh jacket and little 9mm are best especially since the inconvenience of carrying more protection might lure me into occasionally going out with nothing.
bestseller92
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"Active shooter" scenarios are one reason I carry a gun, and the possibility of encountering one, however slight, leads me to carry an accurate, powerful gun that I can hit with out to 25 yards or more. My most common carry gun is a Glock 26 9mm loaded with Federal 115 grain +P+ JHP. This is a very accurate little pistol and I shoot it well. When I can, I carry a Glock 22 .40. I'm considering adding a Glock 23 .40 to my carry remuda in the near future, as a good compromise between the full size G22 and the baby G26.
wlewisiii
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If I'm worried about an "active shooter" or "fascist shooter" situation, I'll want at least my Winchester 94 along. That cowboy's AK can do more to equal things than any handgun. A good bolt with scope and 300 meter's of stand off is even better, but in the real world we don't get to choose our scenarios, now do we?
That said, 99% of the situations will be fine with my 642 - five rounds of .38 special 158 gr. LSWCHP +P will solve the problem.
That said, 99% of the situations will be fine with my 642 - five rounds of .38 special 158 gr. LSWCHP +P will solve the problem.
Averageman
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I buy my pants 2 inches bigger in the waist and carry a fullsized handgun and at least one extra magazine whenever possible, usually an 1911A1 or the slightly smaller HK USPC in.45.
When you debate caliber and concealability, I think you have to ask,
"How low in caliber and how small a weapon am I really willing to go and still defend myself?"
"At what point is a smaller, lighter more easily concealed gun so small and light that it wont get the job done?"
As long as you are within the law, should you even consider "printing" as an issue?
And in the end "Why are you carrying concealed anyway?"
When you debate caliber and concealability, I think you have to ask,
"How low in caliber and how small a weapon am I really willing to go and still defend myself?"
"At what point is a smaller, lighter more easily concealed gun so small and light that it wont get the job done?"
As long as you are within the law, should you even consider "printing" as an issue?
And in the end "Why are you carrying concealed anyway?"
I bought my first handgun right after the VA Tech shooting and I lived in Roanoke, VA which is only 1hr away. I bought a Glock 22 and I have been carrying it ever since. Shootings don't happen often but I know that I will be prepared for it if it ever happens around me, my wife or 2 daughters. Definitely don't slack on your carry weapon or your ammo, always keep an extra mag with you.
Vern Humphrey
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A long time ago, I was at a Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape (SERE) symposium at Fort Bragg. An expert there was extolling the condom -- you can carry on in your wallet. You can keep your socks in it so they stay dry. You can use it for a canteen.
Some wisea$$ asked, "If you were setting out to walk the lenght of Death Valley, would you carry your water in a condom?"
And the expert said, "In a survival situation, you take what you have."
And the wisea$$ replied, "We're not in a survival situation. We're in an air-conditioned room debating what some other poor slob will have when he's in a survival situation."
The outcome of that was the Watersack (a polyethelene bag inside a slightly smaller nylon bag) -- a great way to carry a lot of water safely.
The second outcome was a principle -- when considering what you will choose in a life-or-death situation, pretend you're actually going into that situation and decide what you really want when the chips are down.
Like you, I want the M1911.
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