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Red Jacket Gator Kill Stick

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Lou McGopher, Mar 16, 2011.

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  1. Lou McGopher

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    Those who have seen the episode:
    Any thoughts on this thing?
    At first I was a bit skeptical on .410 birdshot for the caliber, but it seemed to do the trick.
    Does that qualify as a SBS, or do ya think they put some rifling in there?
    That trigger mechanism doesn't look terribly safe to me. Seems like a good way to have a ND.
     
  2. Dr.Rob

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    Suspect it would be an NFA AOW. Registered, transferred as a shot barreled shotgun.
     
  3. Zundfolge

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    I suspect either its an AOW ($5 tax stamp not $200 SBS) or they rifled the barrel a bit so its just a handgun (like the Judge).
     
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    I have a bang stick that shoots a .44 Mag round. You dont have to have any permit or register it. Look up Bud's bang sticks. A lot better than that Red Jacket thing.
     
  5. daorhgih

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    'Nam shark-killers.

    We used a contraption the SeaBees worked up for us, using .45 ACP and a center-punch in a tube with a sturdy handle. Sure worked. Dao.
     
  6. J_McLeod

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    I only saw the previews, but wouldn't a .44 mag revolver be cheaper and more effective?
     
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    The .44 mag would be cheaper yes, but with the alligators you're worried about damaging the belly side of the hide and the .44 mag would punch through that like a hot knife through butter.

    When I saw this contraption all I could think of was "Zip Gun".
     
  8. J_McLeod

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    I hadn't considered that, and didn't watch the show, but there are lots of options. .357, .38 spl, Taurus Judge, custom loaded ammo, etc. I just don't understand the need for a kill stick.
     
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    Gator Killer

    I'd just by a Judge or go the cheaper route and use a good old fashion bang stick with the push button safety.
     
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    It allows you some stand off distance from a rather dangerous animal while allowing the gun to contact the critter so you don't miss.
     
  11. J_McLeod

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    How about a rifle? Lot's of caliber options
     
  12. Lou McGopher

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    The angle at which you have to hold your wrist for that thing.... just seems like it would be better to have a regular pistol grip on something like the Judge (it is good for something, after all). It's about the same length, and can't be any heavier. But more than anything, that trigger doesn't seem very smart.
     
  13. Lou McGopher

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    I think the hunters wanted something short for up-close work. They often use .22 rifles, like the 10/22, but the hunter on the show said sometimes the gator thrashes around a while even after being hit with that. Seems like a .410 to the skull doesn't leave anything untouched inside.
     
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    Jerkface11 said a kill stick would allow stand off distance but a rifle would be too long? Not trying to be rude, I just still don't see the need for it with all of the options one can buy off the rack.
     
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    Yeah, I'm with the rest of you guys, a Judge sounds like the safer option.
     
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    I just don't understand the need for a kill stick.

    I can't either, at least for the purposes they designed it for.

    I've used bang sticks diving. My observations, and those of people with a lot more expertise than I, is that the gas expansion from the powder charge does more damage than the projectile in a bang stick.
     
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    Surely i can hit a gator with a pistol at 10 yards or more! i'm not planning on getting close enough to put anything on his head - but dirt after the fact.
     
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    Watch Swamp People sometime. They just use a .22wmr rifle to do the same thing. Not sure why they need this, other than ratings.
     
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    It's T.V. show, fer cryin' out loud!!

    "Ratings" is the operative word. Just like "Best Shot" and "Man-tracker." Red Jacket is all fluffed up, with melodrama higher than Oprah, and jargon deeper than R.Lee Ermey. The only thing missing is "Cumley." It's made to attract by flash&bang, and to sell to advertisers who think it's in their niche. The last episode I watched ... and I do mean the LAST episode I watched, they were making a silenced 12-ga, sort of hush-hush (Melodrama, y'know), and it used the same technique many folks used to use in silencing SKS's for sniper use. Simple. Takes a carbide drill-bit, gas-pipe, brass grommets and aluminum spacers. Go figger it out. This was twenty years ago. Still works, wet or dry, so I hear. Dao.
     
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    Will the killstick work with the head submerged like a bangstick? If not, then a pistol gripped rifle or "cruiser" shotgun in 410 seems the right answer. In "Swamp People" nobady gets close enough for a contact shot.
     
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    A week or two ago they had an episode about making a 'master key', and M16/saiga combination. Looked very unwieldy, and like they were reinventing the wheel. I'm sure it's been done before. I would not use a saiga for that.
     
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    The version on the show appears to be stupidly short. I predict somebody will be losing an arm due to being bitten while trying to deploy it.
    http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/sons-of-guns-videos/

    Not in the show, but customers somewhere down the line.
     
  23. J_McLeod

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    watched the video. That is stupidly short. Just get a Judge.
     
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    I'm shocked :what:...

    An idiotic show featuring class A idiots :barf:...
     
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