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funny u mention that because I was wondering the same thing myself. I prolly will get a red dot out the gate and I am leaning toward the .22lr route
Don’t try to put a red dot on a .22 LR pistol where it sits on the movable slide. It can be done, but it is difficult to get it to work. The low energy rounds often don’t have enough “oomph” to cycle the slide with the extra weight on top. To do that you need to make further modifications that are way beyond what you are about right now. But a target style .22 LR pistol with a fixed barrel and top for the slide to mount on works fine with a red dot. No problems since the red dot doesn’t have to be moved when the gun is cycling.
 
Don’t try to put a red dot on a .22 LR pistol where it sits on the movable slide. It can be done, but it is difficult to get it to work. The low energy rounds often don’t have enough “oomph” to cycle the slide with the extra weight on top. To do that you need to make further modifications that are way beyond what you are about right now. But a target style .22 LR pistol with a fixed barrel and top for the slide to mount on works fine with a red dot. No problems since the red dot doesn’t have to be moved when the gun is cycling.
Like a Ruger kk 4
 
Yes, a Ruger MK or Browning Buckmark will have a good bit of fixed frame or barrel available for attaching an optic to. The little faux-service guns often have nothing non-reciprocating above the bottom of the barrel. As rpen’ notes, 22’s don’t have a surplus of energy to push around any extra reciprocating mass.
 
Yeah I’m leaning to the mark 4. I see a lot of people talking about the trigger being an issue out the gate, are you aware of this ?
 
Hey guys if any of you are part of rifle / pistol clubs can you tell me what the benefits are of it vs having your membership to the range or in conjunction to
 
i also second the 22 lr but dont overthink it. victory, buckmark and ruger are all good guns. the reality of it is if you get into shooting, you are going to end up with multiple firearms. the months sometimes of agonizing over a perfect choice just means months of not going shooting.
i would advice that if you wish to try a 1911 to get RIA or metro arms or some cheaper 1911 with adjustable sights. once you like the platform you can get what you want and sell/ trade your first 1911. ( i sold my metro arms for $170 less after 2 years and several thousand rounds later. i thought that was decent depreciation for the use i got out of the gun).
also to consider a full size steel gun instead of going plastic at once for lesser recoil.
 
i also second the 22 lr but dont overthink it. victory, buckmark and ruger are all good guns. the reality of it is if you get into shooting, you are going to end up with multiple firearms. the months sometimes of agonizing over a perfect choice just means months of not going shooting.
i would advice that if you wish to try a 1911 to get RIA or metro arms or some cheaper 1911 with adjustable sights. once you like the platform you can get what you want and sell/ trade your first 1911. ( i sold my metro arms for $170 less after 2 years and several thousand rounds later. i thought that was decent depreciation for the use i got out of the gun).
also to consider a full size steel gun instead of going plastic at once for lesser recoil.
Hey I couldn’t agree with your sentiment any better. It’s tough being a newbie and watching all the reviews and seeing the endless variety of guns to shoot from. But barring my tragic death tomorrow I have plenty of time to feel things out. I will probably go the .22lr right and a shotgun. Learn to shoot and then see what I like don’t like and then move on from there. I definitely think I will have a few more guns in the tank as time progress but there is no rush for me and I need to remember that. A lot of these videos I watch these guys have probably been in the sport for decades. So I need to stop putting the cart before the horse and do things properly. Get the training etc. thanks for replying to my thread.
 
Hey guys if any of you are part of rifle / pistol clubs can you tell me what the benefits are of it vs having your membership to the range or in conjunction to

It all depends.

I'm from NJ and grew up in a family that was quite active in the shooting sports. Moved to PA in 2004, best thing I ever did but that is another story. Anyway, my background was in smallbore rifle and I actually didn't start shooting handguns until 5 or 6 years ago.

I live near Allentown PA and get over to NJ quite a bit for competitions. I say this just to point out that I have some knowledge of the current situation in NJ, which is not too good for those stuck in NJ but you can still obtain and shoot firearms as of today.

As far as ranges and clubs are concerned for handguns my personal preference is a private club. As with all things in NJ there is an expense. But the advantage is, I think it is easier to stay motivated and thus excel in the skills development if you have an outdoor range available and even more so if you get involved in some sort of competition. Also if you join a club that has an active group of like minded shooters you will make friends and get exposure to different things this will help nurture your interest. Standing in a stall at an indoor range, where the clock is ticking and shooting at a never changing bullseye target gets boring very quickly. I guess though it really depends on just exactly where in NJ you live and how much time and resources you want to put into it. But even here in NE PA, where there is a gun club under every rock and behind every large tree, I still travel 25 miles, passing numerous clubs along the way, to get to my club of choice.

The only thing standing between gun owners in NJ and the many gun grabbers in elected office is the NRA. The NRA Affiliate in NJ is The Association of New Jersey Rifle and Pistol Clubs https://www.anjrpc.org/ You should 1. become a member of the NRA, 2. become an individual member of the Association of NJ Rifle and Pistol Clubs and 3. join one of the association member gun clubs https://www.anjrpc.org/page/member_orgs . I'm still a member of the association and I left NJ for good 15 years ago. The reason why I urge you to join the NRA and the Association is strictly to support their efforts to hold back the rising tide of anti-2nd Amendment legislation. Membership in either of these organizations doesn't provide much in the way of privledges however if you join the association and you live near the Cherry Ridge Range for extra money you can join that club.

As far as selecting a handgun as your first, this is, in my opinion, one of the few benefits of a commercial range where you can rent handguns to try. For example in Lakewood (in the industrial park) there is a place, I think it's called Shore Shot, you used to be able to rent there, not sure if you still can. But once you figure out what you like and dislike in both firearms and style of shooting, commercial ranges can be a bit boring. Having said all this if your main thing is home defense then something along the lines of a 9mm autoloader such as a Glock 19 or 17 will be fine. The advantage of Glock is they are very dependable, simple to operate and if you decide later to get involved in the shooting sports there are literally 1 quadrillion upgrades and accessories for those firearms that can make them competition worthy.

If you can give me a rough idea where you live I can attempt to give you some advice on where to join and what to expect. My Dad was a founding member of Central Jersey Rifle and Pistol Club in Jackson Twp near Great Adventure. I was out there not too long ago, it really is a nice facility but quite expensive. I shoot at Old Bridge at least once a month, that is a nice place also, good people. There are numerous other good sold gun clubs in NJ.

You will notice if you haven't already that firearms folks are, if nothing else, committed to their brand of firearms. Nothing wrong with that but when you are starting out and especially in a state like NJ where even if money is not a consideration, the time and paperwork involved in purchasing firearms is a hassle. Not sure how it is today but during my 46 year stay in NJ for rifles and shotguns you get the Firearms Identification (FOID) card. For handguns you get in addition a handgun purchase permit. These have a shelf life, used to be 3 months with a possible 3 month extension. So you have 6 months to decide on a handgun purchase. Firearms folks usually keep a valid purchase permit on hand even if they have no intention of purchasing one.

I do plan on adding a revolver to the cache. What revolvers do you use?

I'm basically a revolver guy. The question you ask on this forum is basically opening up a can of worms. For someone that is not going to carry then my suggestion is a revo with a 4" barrel. The thing about new stock revolvers is they come standard with very heavy triggers. You will hear all kinds of advice on this here forum but as a general rule there are really only two (2) revolvers for a newb to consider, Smith and Wesson and Ruger.

As mentioned both will probably have heavy triggers out of the box and revolvers are more expensive than plastic frame autoloaders.

When I started shooting revolvers it was my intention to get into competitions so for that reason my revolver collection is all S&W. For someone that doesn't know where they are going with respect to handguns either the S&W 686 or Ruger GP100 both with 4" barrels and chambered in .357 Magnum which can also shoot 38 Special.

I will probably go the .22lr right and a shotgun.

A 22 Rimfire handgun is not intended for protection but I think the best place to start off, learn skills. The Ruger Mark 4 is very popular and is an improvement of the previous Mark 1/2/3 in that they are easier to take apart. Both of my kids have Mark 3 target and really like them. My rimfire pistol is a S&W Victory. I have it set up to shoot open rimfire pistol in Steel Challenge. Mine runs like a clock but it took some time and effort to get there. Both Ruger and S&W have all kinds of aftermarket stuff and upgrades, the Ruger probably more variety because it has been around for a long time. You will spend about $400 for the basic handgun. My victory, when I add up all of the extras and upgrades and magazines I have well over $1000.00 into her, actually about $1200.00 With firearms the sky is the limit baby!
 
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Crowded market in a multi-million dollar industry tends to weed out the crap pretty quickly. There is very little truly bad stuff out there right now. Find something that fits you well, make sure the pistol points instinctively for you and that the controls are intuitive, then look around your area and make sure you can find magazines for it. Some brands, like Glock and Smith & Wesson are more popular, so holsters, and aftermarket parts, like sights, will be easier to find for them. But if you have internet access, you can find pretty much anything you want for anything you have. Even if you don't carry the pistol, having a holster for it will be important, especially if you end up with the polymer striker fired handgun that has no external manual safety. I've carried a Glock for 15 years without any issues specifically because I insist it is stored when not in use in a model specific holster that covers the trigger guard.

Other than that, ammo, and some professional instruction if you're new to it. Gun safety is common sense so it is easy to overlook, esp since a lot of us had fathers that taught us this stuff when we were pretty young. Some professional instruction can go along way towards instilling good habits and preventing bad ones.
 
While I was just starting to pick up handguns I was buying whatever seemed interesting and as vastly different as possible. Now I've got my "types".

I.e. a fullsize 1911 and a commander sized, a full size cz75 and a compact P01, a 4" M19 and a 2.75" M19 and a K22 to practice with (all three are steel 6 shot K frame Smiths).

I'd recommend getting as much range time as possible with as much variation as you can, eventually something will "speak to you"
 
In a way, your choices are simplified by being in a state where concealed-carry is a near impossibility - you can go for full-sized firearms that are much easier to shoot accurately. Smaller guns that use full-powered ammo can be quite a hand full, between short sight distance, high recoil and different "feel" as the rounds are used up.
Full-sized firearms are easier to shoot well.
I think that they are more intimidating, as well... .
 
Hey I couldn’t agree with your sentiment any better. It’s tough being a newbie and watching all the reviews and seeing the endless variety of guns to shoot from. But barring my tragic death tomorrow I have plenty of time to feel things out. I will probably go the .22lr right and a shotgun. Learn to shoot and then see what I like don’t like and then move on from there. I definitely think I will have a few more guns in the tank as time progress but there is no rush for me and I need to remember that. A lot of these videos I watch these guys have probably been in the sport for decades. So I need to stop putting the cart before the horse and do things properly. Get the training etc. thanks for replying to my thread.
There is a problem with gun reviews----very few of them have any real value.
With your state's restrictions in place you can choose a full size handgun with proven performance.
Light weight and compact sized helps with concealed carry---not permitted in your state
I'd avoid magnum calibers as high velocities mainly serve to drive JHPs and JSP to greater expansion--neither permitted in your state.
Big heavy bullets with flat meplates, sound like the way to go.
High capacity magazines aren't permitted so you can eliminate the wunder-9s

My nephew was in the same sort of situation and he decided on a .40 Beretta M92 police trade in. A .40 Browning Hi-Power might also interest you.
Don't dismiss the 1911 in .45 ACP either
 
It all depends.

I'm from NJ and grew up in a family that was quite active in the shooting sports. Moved to PA in 2004, best thing I ever did but that is another story. Anyway, my background was in smallbore rifle and I actually didn't start shooting handguns until 5 or 6 years ago.

I live near Allentown PA and get over to NJ quite a bit for competitions. I say this just to point out that I have some knowledge of the current situation in NJ, which is not too good for those stuck in NJ but you can still obtain and shoot firearms as of today.

As far as ranges and clubs are concerned for handguns my personal preference is a private club. As with all things in NJ there is an expense. But the advantage is, I think it is easier to stay motivated and thus excel in the skills development if you have an outdoor range available and even more so if you get involved in some sort of competition. Also if you join a club that has an active group of like minded shooters you will make friends and get exposure to different things this will help nurture your interest. Standing in a stall at an indoor range, where the clock is ticking and shooting at a never changing bullseye target gets boring very quickly. I guess though it really depends on just exactly where in NJ you live and how much time and resources you want to put into it. But even here in NE PA, where there is a gun club under every rock and behind every large tree, I still travel 25 miles, passing numerous clubs along the way, to get to my club of choice.

The only thing standing between gun owners in NJ and the many gun grabbers in elected office is the NRA. The NRA Affiliate in NJ is The Association of New Jersey Rifle and Pistol Clubs https://www.anjrpc.org/ You should 1. become a member of the NRA, 2. become an individual member of the Association of NJ Rifle and Pistol Clubs and 3. join one of the association member gun clubs https://www.anjrpc.org/page/member_orgs . I'm still a member of the association and I left NJ for good 15 years ago. The reason why I urge you to join the NRA and the Association is strictly to support their efforts to hold back the rising tide of anti-2nd Amendment legislation. Membership in either of these organizations doesn't provide much in the way of privledges however if you join the association and you live near the Cherry Ridge Range for extra money you can join that club.

As far as selecting a handgun as your first, this is, in my opinion, one of the few benefits of a commercial range where you can rent handguns to try. For example in Lakewood (in the industrial park) there is a place, I think it's called Shore Shot, you used to be able to rent there, not sure if you still can. But once you figure out what you like and dislike in both firearms and style of shooting, commercial ranges can be a bit boring. Having said all this if your main thing is home defense then something along the lines of a 9mm autoloader such as a Glock 19 or 17 will be fine. The advantage of Glock is they are very dependable, simple to operate and if you decide later to get involved in the shooting sports there are literally 1 quadrillion upgrades and accessories for those firearms that can make them competition worthy.

If you can give me a rough idea where you live I can attempt to give you some advice on where to join and what to expect. My Dad was a founding member of Central Jersey Rifle and Pistol Club in Jackson Twp near Great Adventure. I was out there not too long ago, it really is a nice facility but quite expensive. I shoot at Old Bridge at least once a month, that is a nice place also, good people. There are numerous other good sold gun clubs in NJ.

You will notice if you haven't already that firearms folks are, if nothing else, committed to their brand of firearms. Nothing wrong with that but when you are starting out and especially in a state like NJ where even if money is not a consideration, the time and paperwork involved in purchasing firearms is a hassle. Not sure how it is today but during my 46 year stay in NJ for rifles and shotguns you get the Firearms Identification (FOID) card. For handguns you get in addition a handgun purchase permit. These have a shelf life, used to be 3 months with a possible 3 month extension. So you have 6 months to decide on a handgun purchase. Firearms folks usually keep a valid purchase permit on hand even if they have no intention of purchasing one.



I'm basically a revolver guy. The question you ask on this forum is basically opening up a can of worms. For someone that is not going to carry then my suggestion is a revo with a 4" barrel. The thing about new stock revolvers is they come standard with very heavy triggers. You will hear all kinds of advice on this here forum but as a general rule there are really only two (2) revolvers for a newb to consider, Smith and Wesson and Ruger.

As mentioned both will probably have heavy triggers out of the box and revolvers are more expensive than plastic frame autoloaders.

When I started shooting revolvers it was my intention to get into competitions so for that reason my revolver collection is all S&W. For someone that doesn't know where they are going with respect to handguns either the S&W 686 or Ruger GP100 both with 4" barrels and chambered in .357 Magnum which can also shoot 38 Special.



A 22 Rimfire handgun is not intended for protection but I think the best place to start off, learn skills. The Ruger Mark 4 is very popular and is an improvement of the previous Mark 1/2/3 in that they are easier to take apart. Both of my kids have Mark 3 target and really like them. My rimfire pistol is a S&W Victory. I have it set up to shoot open rimfire pistol in Steel Challenge. Mine runs like a clock but it took some time and effort to get there. Both Ruger and S&W have all kinds of aftermarket stuff and upgrades, the Ruger probably more variety because it has been around for a long time. You will spend about $400 for the basic handgun. My victory, when I add up all of the extras and upgrades and magazines I have well over $1000.00 into her, actually about $1200.00 With firearms the sky is the limit baby!
It all depends.

I'm from NJ and grew up in a family that was quite active in the shooting sports. Moved to PA in 2004, best thing I ever did but that is another story. Anyway, my background was in smallbore rifle and I actually didn't start shooting handguns until 5 or 6 years ago.

I live near Allentown PA and get over to NJ quite a bit for competitions. I say this just to point out that I have some knowledge of the current situation in NJ, which is not too good for those stuck in NJ but you can still obtain and shoot firearms as of today.

As far as ranges and clubs are concerned for handguns my personal preference is a private club. As with all things in NJ there is an expense. But the advantage is, I think it is easier to stay motivated and thus excel in the skills development if you have an outdoor range available and even more so if you get involved in some sort of competition. Also if you join a club that has an active group of like minded shooters you will make friends and get exposure to different things this will help nurture your interest. Standing in a stall at an indoor range, where the clock is ticking and shooting at a never changing bullseye target gets boring very quickly. I guess though it really depends on just exactly where in NJ you live and how much time and resources you want to put into it. But even here in NE PA, where there is a gun club under every rock and behind every large tree, I still travel 25 miles, passing numerous clubs along the way, to get to my club of choice.

The only thing standing between gun owners in NJ and the many gun grabbers in elected office is the NRA. The NRA Affiliate in NJ is The Association of New Jersey Rifle and Pistol Clubs https://www.anjrpc.org/ You should 1. become a member of the NRA, 2. become an individual member of the Association of NJ Rifle and Pistol Clubs and 3. join one of the association member gun clubs https://www.anjrpc.org/page/member_orgs . I'm still a member of the association and I left NJ for good 15 years ago. The reason why I urge you to join the NRA and the Association is strictly to support their efforts to hold back the rising tide of anti-2nd Amendment legislation. Membership in either of these organizations doesn't provide much in the way of privledges however if you join the association and you live near the Cherry Ridge Range for extra money you can join that club.

As far as selecting a handgun as your first, this is, in my opinion, one of the few benefits of a commercial range where you can rent handguns to try. For example in Lakewood (in the industrial park) there is a place, I think it's called Shore Shot, you used to be able to rent there, not sure if you still can. But once you figure out what you like and dislike in both firearms and style of shooting, commercial ranges can be a bit boring. Having said all this if your main thing is home defense then something along the lines of a 9mm autoloader such as a Glock 19 or 17 will be fine. The advantage of Glock is they are very dependable, simple to operate and if you decide later to get involved in the shooting sports there are literally 1 quadrillion upgrades and accessories for those firearms that can make them competition worthy.

If you can give me a rough idea where you live I can attempt to give you some advice on where to join and what to expect. My Dad was a founding member of Central Jersey Rifle and Pistol Club in Jackson Twp near Great Adventure. I was out there not too long ago, it really is a nice facility but quite expensive. I shoot at Old Bridge at least once a month, that is a nice place also, good people. There are numerous other good sold gun clubs in NJ.

You will notice if you haven't already that firearms folks are, if nothing else, committed to their brand of firearms. Nothing wrong with that but when you are starting out and especially in a state like NJ where even if money is not a consideration, the time and paperwork involved in purchasing firearms is a hassle. Not sure how it is today but during my 46 year stay in NJ for rifles and shotguns you get the Firearms Identification (FOID) card. For handguns you get in addition a handgun purchase permit. These have a shelf life, used to be 3 months with a possible 3 month extension. So you have 6 months to decide on a handgun purchase. Firearms folks usually keep a valid purchase permit on hand even if they have no intention of purchasing one.



I'm basically a revolver guy. The question you ask on this forum is basically opening up a can of worms. For someone that is not going to carry then my suggestion is a revo with a 4" barrel. The thing about new stock revolvers is they come standard with very heavy triggers. You will hear all kinds of advice on this here forum but as a general rule there are really only two (2) revolvers for a newb to consider, Smith and Wesson and Ruger.

As mentioned both will probably have heavy triggers out of the box and revolvers are more expensive than plastic frame autoloaders.

When I started shooting revolvers it was my intention to get into competitions so for that reason my revolver collection is all S&W. For someone that doesn't know where they are going with respect to handguns either the S&W 686 or Ruger GP100 both with 4" barrels and chambered in .357 Magnum which can also shoot 38 Special.



A 22 Rimfire handgun is not intended for protection but I think the best place to start off, learn skills. The Ruger Mark 4 is very popular and is an improvement of the previous Mark 1/2/3 in that they are easier to take apart. Both of my kids have Mark 3 target and really like them. My rimfire pistol is a S&W Victory. I have it set up to shoot open rimfire pistol in Steel Challenge. Mine runs like a clock but it took some time and effort to get there. Both Ruger and S&W have all kinds of aftermarket stuff and upgrades, the Ruger probably more variety because it has been around for a long time. You will spend about $400 for the basic handgun. My victory, when I add up all of the extras and upgrades and magazines I have well over $1000.00 into her, actually about $1200.00 With firearms the sky is the limit baby!
Wow I can’t thank you enough for taking your time to write such a detailed and thoughtful reply. So much knowledge in this omen oost. Again thank you. I live in north plainfeild. I will have to reread this post many times to dissect everything you just laid out for me. Sorry for the delay.
 
One of the links at the Association of New Jersey Rifle and Pistol Clubs that I mentioned is for a company called The Heritage Guild. This is not an endorsement of The Heritage Guild but there isn't anything wrong with them that I know of I just don't like to endorse anything because there is no shortage of High Road members more than willing to do this. However they do rent handguns. The link at the association website takes you to the Easton PA store however they have two locations in NJ, one in Branchburg and another in Rahway. So if you are thinking about renting a few handguns this information might be useful. I think you need a NJ FOID card before they will allow you to rent in NJ. You should if you haven't already, get started now on this project because it can take a while to get one. You go to your local police department and get applications and start a long and involved application process. My advice is tell the desk you want a handgun purchase permit. I think this will also include the FOID card but ask the question.

On the other hand, if you travel to Easton PA which is right on the PA/NJ border just off I-78 then check with them but I'm fairly certain you don't need anything other than a drivers license to rent. Key word...double check.

Other than that there are a number of good clubs/ranges in your area. When looking for a permanent club to join my opinion, and this is just my opinion take it for what it is worth, but I think an outdoor range is more important than an indoor range and a large club that hosts competitions is better yet. I personally hate the winter but I shoot outdoors all year long. And even if you have no intention of competing in matches, the fact that a club hosts them indicates that there will most likely be a lot of serious shooters in the membership. Making friends and shooting with others is a great way to keep your interest up.

Get yourself a good pair of electronic ear muffs and a comfortable pair of safety glasses. Regardless of what firearms you buy you will need these items. You are looking at about $50 at the least for muffs.
 
I saw heritage guild but I think their range is only located at their pa branch. I saw the one your father founded and it looked awesome. I guess for me location is key though. I travel an hour to 2 hrs on a bad to work in the city and to travel an hour to/from the range on my day off may not encourage me to do so. So I think for me I have to stay within close proximity to my home. But if I can’t I’ll definitely head over to yours in central nj. Have you heard of anything about old bridge rifle and pistol club?
I got the paper work underway , everything is done online now via the state police so it’s going rather quickly just waiting on the local pd now to issue the permit and the handgun purchase permit
Purchased a pair of ear muffs but they are not electronic so I may upgrade to those.
 
Yeah I’m leaning to the mark 4. I see a lot of people talking about the trigger being an issue out the gate, are you aware of this ?

I own both a MK III and a MK IV. The factory trigger is quite usable. It's not exactly a great trigger but it does it's job better than some triggers I've pressed. Being a seasoned shooter I wanted better and installed Volquartson trigger kits in both which are excellent. "Seasoned" in my case simply means I'm old and my skills are decreasing, not increasing, and I need all the help I can get. The MK IV is a very accurate pistol and the kit just makes it easier to get that accuracy out of it.
 
I own both a MK III and a MK IV. The factory trigger is quite usable. It's not exactly a great trigger but it does it's job better than some triggers I've pressed. Being a seasoned shooter I wanted better and installed Volquartson trigger kits in both which are excellent. "Seasoned" in my case simply means I'm old and my skills are decreasing, not increasing, and I need all the help I can get. The MK IV is a very accurate pistol and the kit just makes it easier to get that accuracy out of it.
Yeah everyone seems to like that trigger upgrade. Thanks for the reply
 
I'm a little late to the party, but welcome to THR and the shooting sports, PharmDangerous!

A .22 is a good choice for a new shooter, as you've already figured out. When you get your FOID, get out and handle a few. If possible, shoot them. There's really no substitute for range time to figure out if you really like a pistol. I'm a fan of the Ruger Mark series, myself, but there are plenty of folks (ones that I consider knowledgeable) who swear by the S&W Victory, the Browning Buckmark, or others.

I'd skip the red dot for a while. At least learn to use your iron sights. Get eye and ear protection, a pistol and some ammo, and preferably a little training. Start by learning the fundamentals.

Again, welcome aboard!
 
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