Refresh my memory on the .264 Win Mag

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by pert near, Feb 12, 2021.

  1. pert near

    pert near Member

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2015
    Messages:
    367
    Location:
    Heart of Texas
    I remember when the .264 Win Mag premiered as the latest & greatest hunter's long range cartridge. If memory serves me, didn't Winchester's original loading feature a "dual-diameter" bullet? The front of the bullet was lands diameter & the back was bore diameter. Was that to create a high sectional density for a heavy but small diameter bullet? Or did it have something to do with pressure reduction without a long chamber freebore?

    BTW: It'd be interesting to have some of those old bullets to study.
     
    WisBorn likes this.
  2. LoonWulf
    • Contributing Member

    LoonWulf Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2010
    Messages:
    14,960
    Location:
    Hawaii
    So all I know about the 264 is what I've read. I shot a few of them but never had the opportunity to own one as of yet, getting there, getting there.....

    From my understanding Winchester did use a stepped bullet, and I believe it was to reduce bearing surface which in turn reduces pressure and allowed them to load the higher velocity.

    Modern VLDs do pretty much the same thing as a side effect of having that much longer pointy nose and longer boat tail been a similar weight older style hunting bullet.

    I actually managed to equal the velocity of a 70 grain ballistic tip with a 95 grain Berger VLD from my 6x47 with similar pressure signs.
    In an email conversation with Walt Berger, I related this occurrence and he was unsurprised and explained the effect of the reduced bearing surface which I hadnt thought about at the time.
     
  3. Jim Watson

    Jim Watson Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    30,698
    Location:
    Florence, Alabama
    The stepped bullet also allowed a longer OAL without freebore.

    I have always wondered about the "short magnums" .264, .300, .338, and .458 Win and 7mm Rem. They had already made rifles in .300 and .375 H&H, so there was room in the actions for full length magnums, comparable to Weatherbys but without the pretty round shoulder.
     
    WisBorn, .308 Norma and LoonWulf like this.
  4. Offfhand

    Offfhand Member

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2009
    Messages:
    2,283
    The .264 Win Mag appeared sometime about the late 1950's. I remember the time because I was reading everything I could find about guns instead of the school books I was was suppose to be reading. Winchester advertised the .264 as the "Westerner" which created in my imagination the image of hunting antelope on sage covered western plains. So I made a note in my must-have list (Along with hundreds of other must-have guns on my secret list.) to have a .264 M-70 Winchester and take it hunting as as soon as I finished growing up. Meanwhile, the .264 Mag had not turned out to be the superstar of my imagination. Often repeated rumors of the .264 Mag. being a "barrel burner" appeared in print so often that gun writers of the time seemed unable to write the name without adding a warning about its short barrel life. Which is somewhat amusing in the text of some of today's super scorcher calibers that by comparison make the aged .264 Win seem like a maiden Aunt with gentle disposition. Anyhow, after the passing of time I kept my boyhood promise to myself and hunted the sage dotted plains of Wyoming with the Model-70 .264 Mag.shown here, which I've shot so much without ill effect that I have to wonder how the "barrel burner" reputation got started, except possibly by gun writers repeating what other gun writers had written. Actually, the .264 now has more to offer that ever before because of the tremendous variety of. 6.5 (.264") bullets now available to reloaders. The rifle was stocked by the late Al Bieson and it shoots as good as it looks.. 21A_2782 (2).JPG 21A_2788 (2).JPG 21A_2790 (2).JPG
     
    Last edited: Feb 12, 2021
    codytrucker, Gordon, Rodfac and 19 others like this.
  5. 1KPerDay

    1KPerDay Member

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2006
    Messages:
    18,517
    Location:
    Happy Valley, UT
    dang that's pretty...
     
    WisBorn and LoonWulf like this.
  6. Howland937

    Howland937 Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2020
    Messages:
    2,095
    Location:
    South central Ohio
    Only 4 posts to get my daily dose of inadequacy.
    Beautiful rifle @Offfhand

    It amazes me how often the "latest and greatest" fall by the wayside in short order. Sometimes they re-appear to show the newest/latest/greatest that they were only ahead of their time.
     
  7. loadedround

    loadedround Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2006
    Messages:
    3,490
    Location:
    Valley Forge, Pa
    Didn't the Remington 7mm Rem Mag kill the 264 Win Mag when it was first introduced?
     
    .308 Norma, WisBorn and LoonWulf like this.
  8. LoonWulf
    • Contributing Member

    LoonWulf Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2010
    Messages:
    14,960
    Location:
    Hawaii
    It certainly helped, as did its availability in the remington 700.
     
  9. Hookeye

    Hookeye Member

    Joined:
    May 24, 2015
    Messages:
    4,184
    Pre 64 in 264 showed up at my LGS last week. Was there today.

    The cartridge is kinda neat, am no fan of the M70 even though as a kid I read O'connor a ton.
     
    Howland937, WisBorn and LoonWulf like this.
  10. horsemen61

    horsemen61 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2011
    Messages:
    5,705
    Man I want one!
     
  11. Nature Boy
    • Contributing Member

    Nature Boy Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2015
    Messages:
    6,396
    Same here.....specifically, @Offfhand ’s example would do me just fine
     
  12. horsemen61

    horsemen61 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2011
    Messages:
    5,705


    Indeed!
     
  13. Mosin Bubba

    Mosin Bubba Member

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2012
    Messages:
    1,772
    My grandfather had one in a Model 70. He was never one to spend money on guns and never met a ratty 22 he didn't like, but that was one he did splurge on.

    It's with my uncle now. I've never shot it, from what I've heard from family members who did, it's ear-splitting loud and kicks much harder than the 120gr bullet would have you think. Probably similar to a 7 Mag.
     
  14. DM~

    DM~ Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2011
    Messages:
    3,212
    Location:
    upper mid west
    I shot my first brown bear with a M-70 chambered in 264 Win. mag...

    I later switched to the 7mm Rem. Mag., it was/is miles better as a big game round, it is a pretty good bigger big game round, if it's properly loaded....

    DM
     
    LoonWulf likes this.
  15. Gordon
    • Contributing Member

    Gordon Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2002
    Messages:
    12,016
    Location:
    Southern Oregon
    "Actually, the .264 now has more to offer that ever before because of the tremendous variety of. 6.5 (.264") bullets now available to reloaders. The rifle was stocked by the late Al Bieson and it shoots as good as it looks.."

    It doesn't get any better than an Al Bieson rifle ! Glorious ! Yes the .264 Mag is wondrous then and more so today. I have a Westerner from 1960 which was "full length glass pressure bedded " in Prescott Az. in a pre 64 Winchester 70 class :) I took 10 years ago. It is amazing, an since the late 70s was my go to long range rifle , especially for antelope hunts. I also have a super Grade Feather weight 1962 Model 70 that is very pretty and I don't want to sell yet. I ruined the collectability of the Westerner, so the Feather weight is original and pretty and very valuable as few Featherweight Supergrades were made and only a hand full in .264.
     
    Last edited: Feb 19, 2021
  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice