bestseller92
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The bad news is, Ruger has had a few recalls. The good news is, they have proactively "stepped up to the plate" and taken care of the problems.
Reliability
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Wow, that sounds painful!!! I had something happen like that with a Colt Delta Elite, so I feel your pain there. I'm kind of surprised that ammo has such a huge affect whit performance as far as reliability, seems analogous to accuracy with rifles (My dad's Sako shoots great with certain reloads, but can't stand Noslers).
Excellent point, I have. I saw a guy with a brand new Colt that didn't like anything that was being fed into it.
Thanks for bringing that up, that's a nice fact to know and to be able to take into consideration. If I'm not mistaken, I believe that the Border guards for Canada also carry the P2000
It's nice to know that they're a company who will actually stand by their product instead of just throwing it to the wind.
It seems like the triggers on the Walther's are either "love 'em, or hate 'em". Didn't know that about special ops and that's also excellent to know about the HK P2000
REAPER4206969
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Ruger has superb customer service IME.
unspellable
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Ammo malfunctions are not limited to misfires. I have a 10mm round that won't chamber in my Glock without the use of a hydraulic press. A 32 Special, same story, a bunch of buggered up 38 Specials, a 25 ACP with the primer loaded sideways, etc.
Take a tip from the old big game hunters and make sure all your rounds will chamber before you leave camp.
Take a tip from the old big game hunters and make sure all your rounds will chamber before you leave camp.
mgmorden
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Precycling the bullets through an action risks setting the bullet back in the case, potentially causing a dangerous pressure spike.
This isn't an issue with revolvers, but I personally wouldn't do it with semi-autos.
+1 for all comments on hk products
+1 for looking at SA XDs, flippin outstanding pistolas
As for beretta 92s, had a beretta 92 compact before my stint in the army and it would NOT shoot any load put in it worth a damn. Hardball, HP, +p, +p+, couldnt hit broad side of a barn if you were standing inside it. Then going downrange I saw too many failures from m9s. Made me write off 92 type berettas for good. Broken locking blocks, even a cracked slide on a LTs after quall range. 3rd BDE 25th ID didnt have brand new weapons, but not ancient either. Just my experiance, so beretta fans, please dont bite my head off. I still like other beretta products.
Happy shooting.
+1 for looking at SA XDs, flippin outstanding pistolas
As for beretta 92s, had a beretta 92 compact before my stint in the army and it would NOT shoot any load put in it worth a damn. Hardball, HP, +p, +p+, couldnt hit broad side of a barn if you were standing inside it. Then going downrange I saw too many failures from m9s. Made me write off 92 type berettas for good. Broken locking blocks, even a cracked slide on a LTs after quall range. 3rd BDE 25th ID didnt have brand new weapons, but not ancient either. Just my experiance, so beretta fans, please dont bite my head off. I still like other beretta products.
Happy shooting.
Always have a plan ready and one you practiced just in case your favorite handgun doesn't go bang! I do not own any firearms I would bet my life on.
There is always that chance it will malfunction. I have a plan just in case It can be as simple as throwing the Glock at the BG and going for your backup gun. I have Sigs and H&Ks not go bang when I needed them to. A Glock not going bang came the closest to getting me killed. And I could never determine why it wouldnt. All the other times I had no problems figuring out why the H&K or Sig wouldnt. Nothing is a 100% reliable accept death and taxes. I blew up that Glock and have the pieces in Mason jar on my desk as a reminder just when you think you know it all you dont.
There is always that chance it will malfunction. I have a plan just in case It can be as simple as throwing the Glock at the BG and going for your backup gun. I have Sigs and H&Ks not go bang when I needed them to. A Glock not going bang came the closest to getting me killed. And I could never determine why it wouldnt. All the other times I had no problems figuring out why the H&K or Sig wouldnt. Nothing is a 100% reliable accept death and taxes. I blew up that Glock and have the pieces in Mason jar on my desk as a reminder just when you think you know it all you dont.
Winkman822
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I go with a good quality 1911. You can't go wrong with a Wilson, Nighthawk, Les Baer, or Volkmann Precision (formerly Volkmann Custom), but aside from the super high dollar 1911s, you can't go wrong with a Colt, Smith and Wesson E-Series or Springfield Armory.
If the 1911 isn't your thing, Glocks work well, but the ergonomics may not be to your liking. The Springfield XD and XDM are phenominal performers as is the Smith And Wesson M&P. HK makes a good reliable hard use gun, but they can be a little tough to carry concealed because of their bulky dimensions.
Pick one and train hard with it and you'll be fine.
If the 1911 isn't your thing, Glocks work well, but the ergonomics may not be to your liking. The Springfield XD and XDM are phenominal performers as is the Smith And Wesson M&P. HK makes a good reliable hard use gun, but they can be a little tough to carry concealed because of their bulky dimensions.
Pick one and train hard with it and you'll be fine.
I shoot theKaht PM-9 and T-9, S&W99,Walther P99, S&W M&P9 and M&P45, S&W 659 and 5906, as well as a Glock-17 in addition to 1911's and several Sig models. They are all relaible. For purely defensive purposes I would opt for a pistol without external hammer or external safeties (slide or grip safety).
That's good to know. I don't know many people who have dealt with their CS besides maybe my dad when he got his Gold Label.
I'm kind of surprised, I've read about the occasional malfunction but never that many problems. Have to agree that they still make some nice stuff
Wow, that's pretty frightening to have had a pistol just blow up in your hands. Have to go 100% with you on everything not being 100% reliable; most everything works at 70 degrees.
Got a chance to look at a Springfield EMP this weekend and I was quite impressed with it.
JustinJ
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"I have Sigs and H&Ks not go bang when I needed them to. A Glock not going bang came the closest to getting me killed."
Vaherder, given the extremely low failure rate of HKs, Glocks, and Sigs(W German at least) what line of work are you in that you have had to fire such a diverse list of handguns enough times in a "needed" situation so as to experience failures with all three?
Vaherder, given the extremely low failure rate of HKs, Glocks, and Sigs(W German at least) what line of work are you in that you have had to fire such a diverse list of handguns enough times in a "needed" situation so as to experience failures with all three?
Most modern auto's are designed to meet NATO and the F.B.I. protocol. The F.B.I. criteria is more about bullet performance. The NATO specs are about reliability and ability to take abuse and keep on working. NATO puts the pistols through some of the toughest testing their has ever been. For the guns to pass they must go through thousands of rounds while being frozen, heated, dropped, and things we don't even think about doing to our guns. So modern auto's of good quality almost always work.
These tests would kill some of the older auto's that were made. But the guns design is one aspect of reliable functoning. Proper cleaning and lubing, changing out recoil springs (most recommend 3000-5000 rounds. Smaller guns much more frequently) and although no specific number of rounds magazine spring changes. Lots of guys that shoot allot change them yearly. And mags should be broken down every so often for cleaning. Gunk building up in them can cause problems. And the last component good ammo.
Fund ammo of good quality that you can shoot several boxes of to assure feed reliability. Even with all the CNC machinery and tight tolerances guns are made to know two guns made right next to each other often will like different ammo. Even doing all this sometimes you can get bad ammo from the box. So we do need to practice failure drills just in case Mr. Murphy is around. And a good solid grip (high up in the tang and good hand pressure) on the gun is a must. Some are worse than others. Sounds like allot but for modern quality guns usually not a problem.
These tests would kill some of the older auto's that were made. But the guns design is one aspect of reliable functoning. Proper cleaning and lubing, changing out recoil springs (most recommend 3000-5000 rounds. Smaller guns much more frequently) and although no specific number of rounds magazine spring changes. Lots of guys that shoot allot change them yearly. And mags should be broken down every so often for cleaning. Gunk building up in them can cause problems. And the last component good ammo.
Fund ammo of good quality that you can shoot several boxes of to assure feed reliability. Even with all the CNC machinery and tight tolerances guns are made to know two guns made right next to each other often will like different ammo. Even doing all this sometimes you can get bad ammo from the box. So we do need to practice failure drills just in case Mr. Murphy is around. And a good solid grip (high up in the tang and good hand pressure) on the gun is a must. Some are worse than others. Sounds like allot but for modern quality guns usually not a problem.
md7
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Ruger 745,
Out of the list you provided, I honestly feel you'd be well served with any of them. There isn't a bad one in the bunch imho. I know you said you didn't care much for the Glock, but have you considered the SW MP, Springfield XD, Sig, or one of the CZ pistols?
Not saying these are any better, just throwing them out there.
Out of the list you provided, I honestly feel you'd be well served with any of them. There isn't a bad one in the bunch imho. I know you said you didn't care much for the Glock, but have you considered the SW MP, Springfield XD, Sig, or one of the CZ pistols?
Not saying these are any better, just throwing them out there.
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I know any time you bring up personal choices in a discussion on best anything your going to hurt somebodys feelings I'm thinking about putting that on as my tag line/postline /quote.
I'm a 1911 guy, I love them, I truly do. Nothing says warm and snuggly and safe like a 1911 full of hardball. I have found that for me accuracy/reliability on a 1911 is pretty much a teetertotter kind of deal. with the sweet exceptions of 1 Commander, 1 Gold Cup. I have not really been very lucky. it seems to fall into reliable/not as tight and accurate/
Guttentight.
I was able to cope when that was" just the way it was". The really aggravating thing, for me, and I mean seek couseling kind of aggravated, my G21 doesn't seem to be on a teetertotter. I thought of selling it, and going into full blown denial.
What should I do?' Also I prefer wood handles on all my tools.
I'm a 1911 guy, I love them, I truly do. Nothing says warm and snuggly and safe like a 1911 full of hardball. I have found that for me accuracy/reliability on a 1911 is pretty much a teetertotter kind of deal. with the sweet exceptions of 1 Commander, 1 Gold Cup. I have not really been very lucky. it seems to fall into reliable/not as tight and accurate/
Guttentight.
I was able to cope when that was" just the way it was". The really aggravating thing, for me, and I mean seek couseling kind of aggravated, my G21 doesn't seem to be on a teetertotter. I thought of selling it, and going into full blown denial.
What should I do?' Also I prefer wood handles on all my tools.
Sir,
I thank you for your service, and putting yourself out there to protect the cherished freedoms that we all love thanks to the brave men and women who risk their lives on a daily basis to do so. Thank you
I never knew this, good to know now and it does clarify some things that I have read before
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