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Reloading for a RIA 1911 Tactical

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by Josh45, Oct 25, 2011.

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  1. Josh45

    Josh45 Member

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    Hello everyone,

    Recently picked up a new RIA 1911 Tactical .45ACP today and just got thru cleaning it and decided to try to chamber a factory hollow point round to see if it would feed. I keep hearing about how hollow points won't feed into these 1911 so I figure I give it a shot ( no pun intended ) and of course, It fed just fine. Its the Winchester PDX1.

    Anyways, I also have some reloaded .45 rounds with a HP profile plated bullets from Berrys. Using the load data for the Hornady 8th edition, It says to use 1.230 and it got caught up. A little fight with it and finally got it out.

    After taking the round out, I noticed that it damaged the plating at the top of the bullet and it also pulled the bullet out of the case from it was originally seated.

    Im assuming the rounds would be to long for this 1911? Its brand new, No rounds thru it and of course haven't tried the polishing the throat... Just in case that information helped.

    What would be a safer depth?

    P.S Yes, I did do a search and I didn't exactly find what I was looking for.
     
  2. jcwit

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    Strip the pistol down and use the barrel to do a drop in test with a case and bullet "inert", seat the bullet down into the case till you get the plunk. You then have the OAL for that particular bullet.

    Check out this thread, very informative

    http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=621532
     
  3. Josh45

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    JCWit,

    Thanks for the link. I just happen to go thru that thread a few minutes after I posted mine. :rolleyes:
    I know about the plunk test and I should have done it before I reassembled it! :uhoh:

    Silly me. Im gonna re read that thread. It is useful.
     
  4. rcmodel

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    The problem with that is, Hornady doesn't sell Berry bullets.

    Every manufacture uses a slightly different bullet profile or shape.
    So you can't use one brands data with another brands bullets and expect the OAL to be the same.

    rc
     
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    My RIA compact 1911 will chamber XTP, GDHPs, and everything else. I load the XTP 230gr out to max length.
     
  6. Fishslayer

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    Neither my RIA Tactical nor my Ruger P90 are very fond of PDX1. :(
     
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    And the 230 Gr bullet they list 1.230 for is a truncated flat point.
     
  8. Josh45

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    That's odd? It shows HP on mine? I was looking at FMJ data not Lead data.
    I also remeasured the round that was a reload and found out that it actually pushed the bullet into the case to 1.225.

    The way it looked, I thought it pulled it out of the case. Weird thing is, I removed the barrel and tried to do a plunk test at several lengths and it would plunk but not fall out on its own...
     
  9. jcwit

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    Use a Sharpie and color the bullet and do the plunk test again to make sure the plated bullet isn't sitting on the lands.
     
  10. Josh45

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    Yeah, I need to find that marker around here somewhere.

    You think that it being a,452 could also be the problem? I just sat the bullet into the case and let it run home, Took the round out and measure it at 1.240. So, Now im gonna try a bit more taper...
     
  11. Josh45

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    Okay, I tried to chamber a round again at 1.230 and taper of .469. It chambered but when you try to eject the round, Its very hard unless you pull on it pretty hard and fast.

    Also, Its still pushing the bullet back in. I just re checked it and it shows 1.223?

    This is my first 1911 so I really don't know all to much about it so please have paitience with me on this one.
     
  12. jcwit

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    One of my loads for .45 ACP with a cast lead Lee bullet .228 gr. round nose bullet has an overall length of 1.240.

    Your bullet dia of .452 should not bother.
     
  13. Josh45

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    Okay...I have some lead rounds RN so Im gonna try that with a COAL of 1.245. See if that makes any difference

    I tried the marker thing, And from what I can tell, Its not hitting the lands.
     
  14. Josh45

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    Okay, No...It did the same thing.
     
  15. Fishslayer

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    That might indicate it's engaging the rifling. It should drop right out on it's own. Does the factory round drop back out?

    When it plunks is the base of the cartrige flush or slightly below the breech?

    Not all bullets have the same profile. The maximum for one might be too long for another, even within the same bullet type.
     
  16. Josh45

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    When it plunks, It slightly above the breech, and will plunk out.

    When it sets below the breech, It won't plunk out.

    The factory round plunks in and out without a problem if I remember correctly from last night. ( it got late )
     
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    Is the gun spotlessly clean?
     
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    Its been stripped twice and cleaned twice. I think I need to have it cleaned maybe some more....That or polish the feed ramp...
     
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    So you haven't actually shot a hollow point thru the gun yet?
    I would start with FMJ's and see how that goes first.
     
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    I am just going to go ahead and assume your hand loads are not taper crimped. I would guess that 95% of the trouble I have had with my 1911 reloads was related to not running them through a taper crimp. I do not have problems with any of them anymore. The go in, go bang, and go to the deck ready for pickup and reuse. Hollow points, FMJ, wadcutters, whatever.
     
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    Otto,

    No. Zero rounds thru the gun. Just picked it up yesterday.

    Benton,

    If you read some of the post, You will notice that I did apply a taper crimp on them. I have tried light, medium and heavy even.
     
  22. Fishslayer

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    That really sounds like a too long OAL. I'd have a few more goes with the magic marker. Try loading an inert round with a shorter OAL & see how it goes.

    Run an empty case through the sizing/decapping die, then see where it sets when you drop it in the chamber. The .45ACP headspaces on the case mouth. That's that "ledge" you see toward the front of the chamber. The base of the case should not extend above the breech surface.

    Excess oil in the chamber will keep the round from dropping out freely. Make sure you've got the chamber free of globs & goops of excess oil.
     
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    On the next 'plunk' test twist the cartridge while applying pressure on it. That should help identify exactly where it's hanging up.

    HTH

    Seedtick

    :)
     
  24. Josh45

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    Fish,

    I just cleaned it out again. Was a little bit dirty but nothing I could see to have this effect and I did reoil but lightly with a patch. Just one run thru. Im gonna try the spent cases that came with it and the ones I have.

    Seedstick,

    I will give that a try.
     
  25. Fishslayer

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    I assumed your Win PDX1 were factory rounds?

    If they plunk & drop out OK then it's not the chamber. The problem is in the reloads. Just a matter of time till we "AH-HA!"

    Then you'll probly :facepalm: :D
     
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