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Reloading manuals for suppressor use

Discussion in 'NFA Firearms and Accessories' started by LawBot5000, Sep 1, 2013.

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  1. LawBot5000

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    I keep reloading manuals on the tank of my toilet and read them whenever I'm taking a <deleted>. Anyway, a thought occurred to me earlier today.

    All the reloading manuals I happen to have on hand are filled with fudd cartridges, but not a single one seems to cover anything of interest to the shooter who wants to shoot heavy projectiles at subsonic velocities while minimizing noise (out the muzzle or the ejection port). No 458 socom, no +P 45 acp, no 45 super, no 6.8 SPC, etc. It seems like even the most recent reloading books are full of mostly 30+ year old crap.

    Is there anyone who puts out a reloading manual that isn't made of ass covering and grey hairs? Why is there so much stuff aimed at guys who bought their last gun 50 years ago? Didn't the old fudds stock up on formulas for reloading 7-30 Remington or 257 Roberts decades ago? Is it just laziness?
     
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  2. Jim Watson

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    You have to get all that modern stuff off the Internet.
    The fads come and go too fast to bother with printing.
     
  3. crazy-mp

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    Looks like its time you get a chrono and start build some loads that suit your needs, I would suggest you look at some Hodgdon reloading data for starters. Without trying too hard I found 18 different loads for 45 SUPER and only 2 were supersonic at max load with light bullets.

    Let me know when you find that magical reloading book that only has the exact information you want. Oh and make sure it only list the powders that I have or can get at the local gun shop. At some point you have to grow a pair and load something and run it through a chronograph. Most of the information in the books it not designed for the same gun your shooting anyways.

    http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp
     
  4. LawBot5000

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    I already have a chrony. How do I know if I'm running too much pressure in 45 ACP?
     
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    The "old fudds," many of whom can probably shoot rings around your modern boutique firearms with their .257 Roberts and other "30+ year old crap" may find your post insulting. The publishers continue to include those "fudd" cartridges because they've worked for decades and still do. They probably figure that the dedicated "458 socom, +P 45 acp, 45 super, 6.8 SPC" crowd is using the Internet for everything they do anyway, so they don't bother publishing hardcopy for them.

    Can you not note that the manuals are heavy on classic loads and light on fad loads without being condescending towards other shooters?
     
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    Split cases, bulging primers and with semi auto pistols its best to stay around max load if you want to work something really hot work up in .10 grain increments people have damaged firearms by double charging pistol ammo.

    Personally I would not load over max load in anything, I do know a few people that will load 110-115 percent case capacity but they also brag about how short their barrel life is.
     
  7. LawBot5000

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    My point is that anyone who cares to shoot obscure cartridges that haven't had factory ammo loaded since the 1960s already knows how to reload for them. Partly because it's the only source of ammo since I was a fetus and because that cartridge has likely been featured in the previous 10 editions of <name of reloading manual here>.

    I wouldn't mind this... except that no expense seems to be spared including modern fad cartridges like the WSM, WSSM and the SAUMs that are incremental improvements on extremely popular (and thus unlikely to be dislodged) cartridges. Is 7mm WSM or SAUM likely to displace 7mm rem magnum? Ever? 243 WSM displacing the cartridge based on the 308?

    I'm guessing either they are taking money from the manufacturers to promote their pet cartridges... or the publishing side of the business is run by guys that look like Wilford Brimley.
     
  8. LawBot5000

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    Also, how would even a "very hot" 45 acp burn through barrels? Even 45 super is weak (in terms of pressure and velocity) compared to 9mm, let alone rifle cartridges like 223.
     
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    I know I did............and I am not THAT old............
    so much for wanting to help out
     
  10. Arizona_Mike

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    It is an interesting mental exercise to compare .458 SOCOM ballistics to .45/70 black powder/cowboy ballistics and even 300 BLK to say .30-30 . . .

    Old Fudd keeps getting reinvented :)

    Mike
     
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    Wow. We have a principle we talk about sometimes that we borrowed from the radio guys. It's called "Signal-to-Noise Ratio."

    Sometimes when we post a question, we couch it in such a way that it will draw 75% more noise than signal.

    And sometimes, like here, the OP does an even WORSE job. :D

    Try again sometime, or not.
     
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